As a casual who only sticks to my own world content pillar… I’ve been saying this for ages.
Every type of player has a gear ceiling. Every content pillar on a ladder. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
Even SWTOR had a gearing system where casuals could get higher gear (not the highest) but at a much slower rate.
Delves are no different.
While I completely agree I also don’t think there is anything wrong with people deciding “You know what? I do need to try that content. It’s time for me to give it a go.”
And I think a minor incentive like the one we currently have is just fine. I’m certainly not feeling an overwhelming urge to do more +8s just for gilded crests and if I did feel that urge that is still fine.
It’s a progression based game and it’s fine for there to be incentive to progress.
I find most of this “nerf delve gear” discourse to boil down to asking Blizz to gatekeep and vet M+ in lieu of the community doing that themselves.
I’d like to see the community practice what it preaches and take accountability for the mistakes they make at the group formation level.
I said “dungeon-like” experience.
I did not say they were “just like dungeons”.
There’s a small, but quite noticeable difference there.
Oh, definitely no. We don’t find out if we can do this stuff until we try. But I recommend if people want to try out higher content, do it with friends, guildies, WME or a community.
As someone who is not in it for the “end game” pillars, I love Delves. I don’t need level capped gear. As I see it, Blizz messed up when they added the gear tables.
Mythic +3: 30(ish) minute timer and requires 5 people with Xal’atath’s Bargain, 590+ ilvl
Drop 597 Champion 1/8 with a 610 Hero 1/6 in the Great Vault
Delve T7: Avg 10-12 minutes, up to 5 people, and only need 587+ ilvl
Drops 597 Champion 1/8 with a 610 Hero 1/6 in the Great Vault
So it is faster to gear in Delves. However, you don’t learn the mechanics. The level squish on Mythic plus from DF to TWW was a mistake, and Blizz is now seeing that. a +3 would technically be a +13, which means you are now getting the same gear from a T7 as you do from +13 with far less effort or skill. If we roll that squish back to what +3 used to be, it would be less effort in a M+3 than a Delve T7.
Now, I am just running numbers. I am not a Mythic gamer and have not been for a very long time. So Blizz needs to adjust something. I hate that Delve gear has to get smacked, but it is the easier mess to clean up. The M+ gamers did not do this to us. Blizz did it to them, and we are simply getting hit with the AoE fallout. Just my opinion.
Probably good advice. I dove headfirst into M+ in DF S1 and have found my personal ceiling and comfort zone since then and I try my best not to app for a key that I don’t feel prepared for. Been pugging out KSMs since then.
But that is not the right approach for everyone and many would be better served by finding the right environment to go into it under.
If it was they failed at that. I’ve been running plenty of delves and don’t at the least feel like it has led me to or prepared me for running Mythics.
If they are looking for a pipeline to funnel people into mythics they need to make running regular and heroic dungeons worthwhile again. That would at least get people familiar with doing dungeons again. Delves to me feel like a completely separate gameplay path.
It’s not about +4 keystones being hard, it’s about getting a full upgrade from the content pillar you prefer and the OP prefers solo Delves, so suggesting any content that requires a group isn’t a viable solution for the OP (shocking in an “MMO”, but yeah they want max gear in solo content 
).
Again, that’s great for you but it’s not a relevant path for the OP that somehow thinks Blizz promised them a solo path to max (mythic-track?) gear just by doing Delves.
Well then I agree that the OP needs to adjust expectations. I don’t feel that the game needs to adjust to make those expectations even less realistic at the cost of fun for players that don’t share their expectations.
There’s nothing wrong with this at all. People should be encouraged to give other forms of content a shot. It’s why different pillars offer different rewards and different experiences.
I’m tapping out on this one guys.
I’m so tired of hearing people say “nerf their rewards because I care about them.”
It’s hollow af.
Why arent you fine with just heroic gear or raid gear?
Its close enough, right?
Wait when did I say I wasn’t fine with delve rewards as they are?
Now insert what I said.
The fact that this is even such an argument at all is really sad and stupid
Except the M+ community, outside of a few groups dedicated to helping newbies out, is not welcoming to newbies. It’s a gated community.
So, a new player shows up, learns about M+, tries to go in there, and sees some of the worst the WoW community has to offer.
Most Delvers know they aren’t going to get BiS while solo. I’d hazard a guess that most Delvers are happy they have SOME form of gear progression that one can work towards solo that isn’t super-grindy and/or low chance RNG.
They’re trying to move the goalposts. Noticed he said heroic gear. +8 Delves gives Champion gear. They want you to be fine with getting nothing better than Veteran.
I’m going to guess the devs think the seasonal cap on crests is adequate and working as intended. My main (Valeree-Proudmoore) does heroic raid and M+ and got capped on Runed Crests (because I ran so much M+), that the Runed Crests I would normally have gotten from Raid later in the week, actually fell on the floor due to seasonal cap (having hit said cap earlier in the week on M+ runs; that’s been happening for almost 5 weeks now).
Now that hasn’t happened to me with Gilded Crest (I don’t play at that level to hit cap) but they have the same seasonal cap. It’s not infinite farming is all I’m saying.
If M+ only players had their way heroic raids would drop veteran gear and the crest upgrades would end before 0s begin.
That way it would be the only way to get good gear but a soft wall would be in place to prevent the bads from ever wanting to try. It’s all about gatekeeping M+. Every complaint about delve gear comes down to exactly that.
“If you don’t do M+ you’re a scrub and you don’t deserve that gear!”
/eyeroll
Yeah, that’s usually the vibe/sentiment I get out of nearly anything an M+ only person says.
They act like halfway through Champion is somehow anywhere near BiS, lol.
This is why I like people that enjoy as much of the content on their plate as they can and don’t get tribal about one form or another. Those that float are my people.
Much easier folks to deal with. Tremendously laid back in comparison to people that get defensive about “their” content.