Can’t trust anything Fauxstrasza says because they just want casual/solo players to eat dirt. They don’t care about anything but themselves.
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After seeing what’s involved for mythics (never done one but finally checked out some vids), there is no worry of getting me in there.
That junk looks like a mess with a timer and death penalties… lol, nope.
I can go dig up the receipts.
Not everybody has time, or want, to be trying to get into premade groups. Why do you think the RDF was implemented in the first place? Dungeon participation before RDF was not great, because of how difficult it was to get groups.
Heck, I even played a TANK during TBC and I had trouble getting into groups just because I wasn’t there during the first couple months. I spent hours asking in LFG for groups or anything to get anywhere.
So basically, you want delves to give no gear at all except for the absolute highest challenge that less than 1% of all delvers are ever going to see?
/eyeroll
Okay, so “if I don’t wanna do M+ then I don’t wanna play WoW”? Nice. You’re basically saying that M+ and maybe raids is the only thing in WoW that anybody should be doing.
Yeah there’s a reason why something like <10% of the entire WoW population ever gets to +10 and/or Mythic Raids, lol.
These players forget that not everybody is trying out for esports and they just wanna play the game for fun.
It’s like saying that a group of friends playing some backyard baseball isn’t playing baseball because they aren’t in a stadium playing in the Minors.
No? WOW has way more than just M+.
And content isn’t limited to power alone.
I don’t see how I was supposed to interpret
Any differently.
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It’s rather whenever people advocate for stuff to be nerfed, just so they can quit playing one week sooner. (Whatever the content, whatever the goal.)
Maybe someone wants zek’vir ?? until they finally move on. Maybe it’s a +10, maybe it’s ksh. etc. Also applies to raids.
I don’t recall anybody saying they want to make delves easier so that they can quit playing them sooner.
In fact, it almost sounds like a lot of M+ players are trying to skip 0-6 with Delve gear so they can get up to +10 faster.
So, who exactly is trying to get to their goal sooner so they can stop torturing themselves sooner?
Sounds like that’s more the M+ players than anybody to be honest.
Delvers aren’t asking for better rewards, they’re asking to keep the rewards we currently have because finally, one can get some decent gear from somewhere you don’t need to become a slave to a bunch of other people (and/or deal with the PuG scene which is some of the most toxic people I’ve ever seen in a game).
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People doing +10s aren’t overly caring about delve rewards.
That’s why I only care about them from a game design standpoint.
More than one want mythic raid gear from delves or freely accessible gilded crests.
No, it’s people trying to get TO +10 that are using Delves to skip 0-6. Nice try moving the goalposts there.
So you don’t care about them because of any actual things that are happening in the game, you’re just arguing on principle. Got it. You don’t like it because it looks wrong on paper.
Assuming they weren’t joking, it’s one person here-and-there which the greater Delve community does not agree with.
But yet I’ve seen plenty of whining from M+ people which says that a good chunk of them are complaining, lol.
And if people using Delve gear to skip 0-6 is something a large number of people do then… well, it’s obvious. They wouldn’t be skipping content that they supposedly enjoy doing.
Already did.
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No, rather the 0-6 range does have an audience, just like the deleted 0-10.
And when people’s content is removed or rendered massively unrewarding… well.
I assume people trying to get to +10, would, like, you know, actually be able to do +10.
And sure some are skill capped, but how does this differentiate between people who can do +10? and did the same.
“This is the facade I use to disguise my disgust for solo players getting any decent gear”
Which is exactly what you’re trying to do to Delves.
So somehow it’s wrong for this to supposedly happen to M0-6 but it’s OK for it to happen to Delves? lol
LOL!
This has to be the most comical thing you’ve said in the thread. You act like people don’t try to get carries all the time.
You’re the one who keeps complaining about 0-6 people not being able to do 0-6 because not enough people are doing them because they’re going to Delves.
So if they aren’t doing it because they wanna skip 0-6 and go straight to 7+, then that means they are doing it BECAUSE THEY DON’T REALLY WANNA DO M0-6 AND THEY ARE ONLY DOING IT FOR THE GEAR.
If someone like you claim to be enjoys doing M0-6, the existence of Delves really should not matter.
Nerfing delve rewards is not removing content, nor does it make it unrewarding in its self-contained sphere as many profess to.
It’s not not enough people, it’s people hating every second of being there.
Playing content that gives zero rewards, to get to the reward portion feels extremely bad.
You want to nerf rewards of a content pillar because of some supposed slight against another content pillar.
I mean, M+ still gives its own rewards. There’s nothing stopping people from doing it (other than yanno, the toxic community, which you claim doesn’t exist).
WOW! You finally admit people hate every second of being in M+ and before delves, only did it because it was the ONLY place to get gear.
So, instead of nerfing Delves, why don’t you instead champion the cause of fixing M+ so that it isn’t so unfun?
… zero rewards?
LOL. M+ still gives the same rewards it always did.
It’s just now there’s ANOTHER pillar of content that gives similar rewards and since people (by your own admission!) hate M+ so much, they gladly flocked there.
And if you made world quests give heroic raid gear, implement mythic raid gear at 11 in delves, you’ll run into the same issue there.
It’s how to replicate the same issue.
Delves will objectively reward better loot, and feel way worse to play for most, I wager.
Somehow you’re comparing 1 piece a week of awesome loot and ~4 “decent” pieces of loot per week which can easily be duplicates to World Quests dropping Raid Loot, lol.
Is that Slipperly Slope Fallacy or another Fallacy? It’s one of them. I’m thinking it’s that other one I can’t remember the name of where you grossly exaggerate stuff to discredit the opposing side.
But you already cooked yourself, by admitting that nobody wants to do M0-6 unless they must.
“Here’s more tomfoolery nonsense I like to spout because it just makes me such big mad to see these solo players getting gear. I hate it. I hate it so much!!!”
No, the result is obliterating the sense of reward in your content range… because it comes from other places that are far easier.
And I would rank world quests easier than delves.
Premise: World quests drop heroic raid gear. Delves drop mythic raid gear at 11.
Result: Delvers have less fun.
Agree or disagree?