Use of addons is cheating, and it needs to be addressed

[Boredumb-alexstrasza]

@Zoumz-zuljin

Straight to jail.

Overcook chicken? Straight to jail
Undercook chicken? Straight to jail, right away.

[Ataxerxes-dalaran (Ataxerxes)]

Ma’am, this is a White Castle.

[Ayukama-frostmourne]

Oh I agree with you completely. They should just be more relaxed.

[Ayukama-frostmourne]

Sir, this is a Wendy’s.

[Ataxerxes-dalaran (Ataxerxes)]

…

Well, that explains why I haven’t been paid.

[Prîdë-moon-guard]

Uh. What? I didn’t think or say anything about how difficult the mechanics will be, if they will be the same level of difficulty or easier. Because I don’t know. All I said was, I am looking forward to seeing how people deal with them and what kind of complaints pop up on the forums once that happens. Because I most likely won’t raid, so I wouldn’t know.

And no matter the difficulty of the mechanics that they implement, assuming that people will be fine is like what Blizzard assumed with Dragonriding. People will be fine? How easy is Dragonriding, that’s a slap in the face because there are people who can’t deal with Dragonriding around in droves.

[Reshyk-cenarion-circle (Reshyk)]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

If anything, i do agree that FF14 should be more laxed with the addons.

I’m not sure that I want them to be more or less lax so much as I would like them to make it clear what the rules are. Officially, FF14 doesn’t allow any addons of any kind. Period.

But even though it’s technically against the rules, there’s plenty of addons that SE simply doesn’t enforce unless you’re being stupid with them. I use log parsers and damage meters in FF14 and have for a very long time, I’m not worried about the safety of my account. Heck, Yoshi-P even has a ffxivlogs account and has basically outright said that they’re not going to adopt a hard stance on logging/DPS meters.

But it creates a bit of an issue where it’s clear that there is a dividing line, but it’s not clear where exactly that line is. Square Enix saying verbally that no addons are ever allowed while silently winking and nodding to some addons creates a kind of mixed messaging which is really difficult to navigate. In this case I actually much prefer WoW’s approach since the rules are very clear. “If it works with our API, it’s allowed.”

[Arfbishop-moon-guard]

@Simplyred-hydraxis

Cheating is doing something that isn’t allowed.

True, but there are a lot of addons that either have automation or give an unfair advantage over other players that are not banned, so I don’t think Blizzard is great with enforcing their rules.

[Reshyk-cenarion-circle (Reshyk)]

Which addons are you thinking of specifically?

[Iyami-wyrmrest-accord]

This is like saying “play Skyrim without mods”.

It’s not happening.

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Skepticism-skyfury

Lets be real, using add-ons in WoW is cheating. It’s a way for players to gain an unfair advantage over others, and it ruins the game for everyone else

Let me take a wild guess, this is going to turn into…

@Skepticism-skyfury

Using add-ons in WoW is just a way for players to compensate for their lack of skill

Ah, yes, I’m sure all those top-end M+ and Mythic players are totally just as skilled as the average literal pants-on-head-randomly-pressing-buttons world quest players, and addons are totally the difference. Yep, sure, totes.

[Iyami-wyrmrest-accord]

I think add-ons in FFXIV is like Fight Club. You don’t talk about them and nobody causes a stink.

[Darzin-thunderhorn]

Jesus, the hot takes today…

[Illaandra-gilneas (Illaandra)]

@Reshyk-cenarion-circle

Square Enix saying verbally that no addons are ever allowed while silently winking and nodding to some addons creates a kind of mixed messaging which is really difficult to navigate.

I think the thing people fail to take into account is that with this, their stance is “if it doesn’t give an unfair advantage and you’re not using it to violate the TOS/EULA/etc to berate/harass/shame other players, we don’t care as long as you aren’t telling people about it”. It’s more of not giving an official consent to addons while not caring as long as their usage is kept to personal use.

[Hennesscee-frostmourne]

I wouldn’t call using Addons “Cheating”. Most of them are QoL improvments that should be in the game. So the fact is Addons should NOT be Needed… But sadly they are.

[Gutshredda-zuljin]

I’m just waiting for them to go further into their rants of “fairness” and start stating that a MMO mouse gives too much advantage over the regular player and that only basic 2 button mice should be allowed.

[Lighthööf-hyjal]

If something is allowed then it isn’t cheating. Also the same addons are available to everyone so if anyone is at a disadvantage it’s because they choose to be.

[Lighthööf-hyjal]

@Arfbishop-moon-guard

give an unfair advantage

Not possible when everyone has access to the same addons.

[Gnasha-grobbulus]

I thought we beat this dead horse to a pulp already?

@Skepticism-skyfury

Lets be real, using add-ons in WoW is cheating.

Let’s be real, using a feature the game has had designed in since day 1 is obviously NOT cheating. Why does this need to be explained?

@Skepticism-skyfury

It’s a way for players to gain an unfair advantage over others, and it ruins the game for everyone else.

It is not an unfair advantage since those same addons are available to all. Show up to a gunfight, with a barrel of free guns on the ground next to you, yet you choose to bare-knuckle it? That is on you. Calling it unfair just sounds like childish crying.

@Skepticism-skyfury

Furthermore, many of these add-ons are not even sanctioned by Blizzard and could potentially be harmful to your computer. By using them, you’re not only cheating, but you’re also putting your computer at risk. Is it really worth it to potentially compromise the security of your system just to gain an unfair advantage in a game?

You are just getting silly now.

@Skepticism-skyfury

Using add-ons in WoW is just a way for players to compensate for their lack of skill. It takes away from the challenge of the game and ruins the experience for everyone else. If you can’t play the game without relying on these crutches, then maybe you shouldn’t be playing at all. So let’s all agree to play the game the way it was meant to be played, without any unfair advantages or shortcuts. That way, we can all enjoy the game to its fullest and create a fair and fun gaming experience for everyone.

Wow…get over yourself already. You are embarrassing yourself.

[Dieliania-dentarg]

@Skepticism-skyfury

subject of much controversy: the use of third-party add-ons

Only to Luddites… Blizzard has coded the API under which the addons operate. There is no controversy at Blizzard.