so where’s the post saying these arent active in pvp?
looks at healing performance in raid.
This is fine. Clearly holy priests and resto druids are jist better at the game.
Not sure how much more you need to see.
In pve as well. Look at raid healing performance. Its insanely obvious they’re busted.
The Shadow Priest Delegation would like to humbly request some much needed buffs. Thank you!
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(PVP) Here we go again…
Blizzard will never learn, by the time they admit that certain classes need significant nerfs it will be too late. And they will argue that they don’t want to waste the time of people who copy and pasted a meta post on redit.
Of the top 100 players in the world (pvp) 20% are holy priests, 6% are resto druids, 0% are mist weaver, 2% are holy paladins, and 5% are resto shaman,
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Of all the healers in the top 100 in the world, 60% are holy priests, 18% are resto druids, 6% are holy paladins, 15% are resto shaman, and 0 %, of course, 0% are mistweaver (go figure).
But nooooo lets give mistweaver a spinning crane kick buff and nothing else, and lets not make all those copy paste holy priests mad about playing the best spec and not the class they enjoy.
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These changes are all amazing…
but then again, I dont raid, PVP or anything, and I die to things no other player probably dies to… in other words, i dont know what I am talking about.
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Not saying you’re wrong about the obvious healing disparity… but im not sure what you’re looking at for your 2nd paragraph? M+ or raiding?
For raid for all bosses… top 100 seems to only be able to be filtered by “all star rating” which is kinda dumb.
Across all boss fights looking individually, the obvious trend is resto druids and holy priests consistently performing WAY better than everyone else, with a few fights showing decent representation from monks.
I’m talking specifically about PVP, I changed my post to reflect that better.
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Then play another class you have 11 others to choose from.
Did Druids really need a buff? Predicting a mass Druid flavor of the month explosion. Especially in PvP.
you have 2 specs in the top 4 dps rankings… play one of them.
Why does it always feel like ret is the balancing point for m+? Does it do more dmg than ret???OK it’s fine… does it do less damage … buff it!
I swear it felt like we were really good for prepatch(when every one still had essences) so blizzards freaked and the community cried and we got nerfed. Then our complaints for dungeons were invalidated couse we were good in pvp and ok in raids despite there being 3 forms of end game content. It also didn’t help that rets had high hopes when we were all doing heroic dungeons/ m0s since it was appearently competitive as long as no one had any gear. Remember when ret was in such a sorry state that the pvp and pve ret main community came together in their frustration. Well now that rets good in pvp and got ignored in pve since it’s nerf we’ve just been left high and dry.
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Blizzard meant to say 15% *
There I corrected it for you Blizzard. I just want to two-shot everything with Chaos bolts again. The last few patches and the start of shadowlands really pushed destruction away from Chaos bolts by empowering conflag / incinerate and then spells like Necrolords decimating bolt take it a step further.
Joking aside, thanks, Demo is okay, hopefully this will put us on par with Demo, but with higher AOE, cause we are already doing good damage (?)
Please tell me how Havoc tier set is in need of a buff? It’s actually a great set bonus. I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Same with the tier set for Affliction and BM. Some specs perform godly in 1 aspect and bad in another. Not every spec will always be viable for all content at all times. That is how WoW has been since vanilla. If you can’t accept that, i’d suggest finding a new game to play 
YEP. Even with 4 Piece.
. . . really? BM’s bonus essentially mandates playing NF in order to not give up the tier bonus and even when you have it, it provides negligable benefits. AoE, ST BM’s at the bottom and it’s only going to get worse as people get their 4pc, because it’s worth, what, 5% to BM and like 10-20% for some specs?
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Never did I mention havocs damage, I mentioned our tier set 4p doing nothing for the spec.
Having problems with an un intuitive tier set bonus and the fact that double legendary is the only real thing we have scaled with are two separate things.
My comment was to someone about how their tier set was garbage, I commented on how havocs is also garbage. And somehow you and some other people here managed to read my post as “MUH DAMAGE UR MAH GURD”.
Some people need to learn how to read
The 4-piece bonus is literally useless in a lot of scenarios.
Havoc doesn’t need CDR on Meta, it doesn’t change how often they can use Meta in a standard raid fight (twice). And in a M+ maybe it’s an extra Meta pull, however, you’re probably saving Meta for very specific difficult pulls (and boss fights) anyway. So, it just means you’re sitting on the CD for longer - as the CDR isn’t enough to use it off CD.
BM and Aff’s although functional is just underwhelming.
In fact, Aff tier set simply makes your talent choices less felxbile, whilst barely alterting the game-play of the spec.
There’s a reason why Surv and Demo are so popular in 9.2 in contrast, their tier sets are not only powerful but they’re fun.
Damage is not the only factor. Tier sets should be fun. You should be excited to get it.
Aff Lock gets their 4 piece: Ok now i’m locked into Drain Soul.
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Don’t worry, 99% of the people in this thread don’t know what they are talking about either, one read through it and you can immediately tell most of the problems people here have are in fact skill issues and not spec related.
Shadow needs buffs or it’s a dead spec. It’s outclassed in every damage profile and there’s no reason to play or bring it to raid as everything shadow does, other classes do better.
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