Mist is only super good in raids though, they are the worst healer by far in M+, they just offer no utility in dungeons. Every M+ tier list rates mistweaver as the worst healer for M+.
They should probably just remove the BM spec altogether at this point. I think most hunters would agree and welcome that change. Survival would probably get some good playtime.
Oh man, and here I wanted to bother focusing on a main when tier pieces alone are from what I am told, making up for a lot of dmg. Feelsbadman.
I have to check: are you forgetting your /s? Or are you trolling?
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Well…the tank shortage in m+ is real…not sure u want to nerf any tanks at all right now.
QUICK OUR S TIER SPECS ARE NO LONGER S TIER BUFF BUFF BUFF BUFF. Meanwhile a certain DPS spec has been mid pack/sh*t for 2 years and hasn’t been touched.
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Do you have a spec in mind here? Destro maybe? Are any of those specs ones that were S-tier in any iteration of SL?
The AoE cap lifting to 8 will help too.
Im waiting to see the nerfs at the top before deciding on the quality of the buffs to the bottom. It’s a different story if the top 5 get neutered.
Pug tank shortages are forever. Today’s average player is really bad and tanks have a friends list a mile long as a result.
well for the people who know how to play them
Lol, I play great as Disc, it just sucks to do 10x the work for half the results. Mained Disc Priest since MoP pretty much. I mean, yeah I was ready for a change up anyways, but anybody that pugs M+ with Disc knows it needs a little help. Idk why I am getting so much hate for saying Disc needs a little buff lol
If your referring to Havoc you are sadly mistaken, granted I see where your going with this but you just didn’t think it thru.
We have gotten… “Love tapped” is a proper term for it, we just haven’t gotten anything substantial in your eyes, 9.0 we were garbage until 9.0.5 we got what an 8% buff, 9.1 15% across the board? I think. Now we have Tier Sets which explains why we got no essential tuning pass at all, for any class they tuned us around the Tier Sets. Though I stand by what I said in my last post, they need to tune our 4 pc bonus, its just underwhelming.
Not true.
Havocs tier is literally 6 extra seconds in a 4 minute cookdown. From the 2p, the 4p 150 dps Increase.
It adds nothing to our damage profile. 6 seconds in the most lackluster dps cd in the game. We get a few extra chaos Strikes and Deaths weeps every 4 minutes…and every 60FURY we spend, so two ability casts, we get one second off that lackluster cd…averaging out to a whopping 30 second reduction on a 4 minute pinto CD. Like how was this 4p even released.
Tuning has happened for so many tier sets and havocs reworked 4p is literally garbage on top of more garbage
Please tell me more about how everyone gets a huge increase but BM hunter from tier
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Looks like the much needed affliction buff amounts to … play demo or destro.
Feral … lol, too little too late.
With BiS gear and no tier, Havoc is simming at 15k single target, while BM with BiS gear and no tier is simming at 12.6k
That being said, the pre-release sims showed Havoc’s set being a 23% increase, but now that people actually have it we’re seeing about a 9% increase for both Single Target and AoE. So yes, you’re correct that Havoc has an underperforming tier set, but they still start off in a better spot than BM. With BiS gear and 4pc, BM sims at 14.3k which is a good clip under Havoc with no tier.
Before anyone disparages the use of sims, the logs are supporting this data. Now that more and more people have their 4pc and are in the 270+ ilvl bracket, BM is falling farther and farther behind. Over this last week, with double legendaries and many people with tier bonuses, BM is dead last in M+ by a good margin - and as bad off in Heroic raids as Fire Mage and Destro Lock. Meanwhile, Havoc is in the top half of the logs in both types of content.
Also, the BM tier set has no AoE damage component - only a longer Beast Cleave, which adds no damage and is a minor quality of life improvement. So we gain about 13% on single target and 6% in AoE with full tier bonuses. That 6% is only because we can do more single target damage while also doing AoE. It’s a ridiculous bonus that has every BM Hunter scratching their heads about how it was even suggested and accepted.
As for who has the worst tier set, I guess it depends on what you think is important. The BM tier set is underpowered. It limits the choice of covenants to Night Fae, because it overcaps on crit with Kyrian, contradicts the Venthyr rotation, and Necrolord has always just been terrible. Unless other specs have had their sets changed recently, the BM set is the only DPS set that offers ZERO AoE/Cleave damage boost. It’s so poorly designed, I genuinely feel bad for the person that designed it.
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KEK at these demon hunters thinking they are doing bad damage right now. You don’t get to be a class that is 100% required for raid and do more damage than everything else in the game.
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Who cares when your class is doing fine without tier, it sucks that your tier is bad BUT it doesn’t suck that you are doing well regardless.
At no point did I say I wanted to be op. I mentioned the havocs tier set 4p doing basically nothing at all.
At least tier for everyone actually interacts with their toolkits, while it may be underwhelming for some, at least their is interaction. Havocs tier is so thoughtless it’s not even funny.
I never said I was upset at our damage, I pointed out how lackluster our tier is. Our class is doing fine because of leggo’s not tier. And those leggo’s are also thoughtless, un-inventive, and boring.
Yup, again here, never spoke about us not doing damage. Spoke about how unintuitive our tierset is and how it’s interaction serves no purpose because I was specifically noting you complaining about how “bad your tietset is” not you complaining about your damage.
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Thats too bad? You are delusional if you think blizzard is going to rework your tier at this point.
There was always classes with terrible tier in the past just be glad you have a guaranteed raid spot regardless.
yeah i always forget we’re all able to cast while moving
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