What’s your point, you have to be above fury in spite of our lack of utility? Don’t make me laugh.
Go run ferals vs furies in ICC now. They’re above warriors even with a legendary and severely less utility.
No, I didn’t even care about ret buffs. I also know from the orginal game rets will never be top dps only middle of the road which is fine by me. I am just sick of warriors also complaining. Throughout way specs have went up and down. If you want so much balance then learn coding, apply to blizzard and change the things you think will resolve the issue.
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A megaserver just means it’s 99% GDKPs that are running. Megaservers don’t really bring quality players. They tend to attract the most whales because gold is cheaper with there being more bots/overall demand for gold.
So you don’t really get more or better options, you just get more GDKP spam, bots, and gold advertisements.
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the game is worse when optimal comps are necessary to do content reliably. I think it’s a mix of ulduar being challenging and warriors having almost no utility that makes them hard to slot in. More delicate of a balance adjustment than what they did with the other changes. I’d be happy to see them figure something out though
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Bro you bring like 8buffs/debuffs. You should not be beating me in dmg. I play a ret that literally poops on your parses. You have the easiest rotation in the game apart from assa rogues and you’re still messing it up. Who cares if we do a bit more than you or you do a bit more than us. We’re both weak af… why are you typing
we have a warrior who did 15k dps on auriaya last night and 18k on kologarn, should probably buff them so they do 25k dps on cleave in ulduar gear, good ideas
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Please show me the huge dps difference in these classes listed below. These are sims for phase 2 bis and from what I see after running them all not a huge variance. But you just continue to whine on the forums Karen. No need to try and change your mind as you are stuck in your confirmation bias.
https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/retribution_paladin/
https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/warrior/
https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/warlock/
https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/deathknight/
https://wowsims.github.io/wotlk/enhancement_shaman/
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Full on circus mode. This isn’t retail and Blizzard can’t even be trusted to attempt sensible class balance changes.
What?
Looking at max damage is silly, it’s all cheese and whole raids simping for people.
Not even true.
Right lol
And with the exception of a couple outliers (unholy still insane on very short fights, arms and frost being unplayably bad), the spread is actually pretty good.
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100% the case on Pagle, at least
LOL, i mainly play prot. I do go ret sometimes and my ret gear is mainly Naxx gear but yeah continue to brag about your parses over someone that cares less about parses, my guild cares about having fun which is why everyones loves raiding with us. You continue crying on the forums about a video game there hot shot.
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Wdym? Yeah there are a couple of me me me raiders out there that center the raid around their own parses. However, a lot of the people just have perfect trinket procs and perfect rotations.
Also, all the specs I anotated up above, are struggling. You only bring one, if none at all. And they are AT LEAST 15 percent or more l, in the gap between those specs and the top specs. Buff them.
This has been true for a lot of specs for a long time, why is it just now a problem? TBCC had a significantly larger gap between top and bottom specs. Is it because warrs aren’t near the top now?
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No it’s because they didn’t buff or nerf anything until right now you imbecile, they weren’t exactly changing anything in tbc, so why would I go and ask for it. Get a clue. Do you live under a rock. They just now shook up the whole damned meta with this feral change. What do you
Mean why am I asking for changes? classes out here unplayable and you’re on here trying to argue it, respec sub and play it. Tell me how many groups you get into and how greatful your parse hungry guild is that there if is kill time went up by 10 seconds.
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You may want to step away from the computer, you seem to be getting a bit worked up.
Definitely not. Destro, for example, is good, it’s just not aff or demo. It’s not struggling at all.
What class is unplayable? Paladin is still the only class with no dps spec that’s not dumpster tier. Every other class has a dps spec that is performing at least decently in Ulduar.
Have you looked at shadow sims btw? They scale hard.
Why would I play sub when my class has two good dps specs already? But sure, buff sub 20%, rogues need more options?
We have 2 fury warrs, 2 balance druids, an ele shaman, a spriest, and a ret, how foolish of us to take such unplayable classes if we want to parse.
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So if one spec if good for a class? Leave the other two trash?
They dropped the ball on poor rets then huh? One dps spot and it’s dead last. But with your logic you probably think arcane and frost should be 2k dps behind fire because, screw it, they already have one good spec?
Is that your logic there?
It’s Blizzard’s logic 
Ret was buffed because they cannot swap to a different paladin dps spec to do decent damage. Every class has a spec better than ret paladin even after the buff.
PERFECT, I’ve been waiting for this moment my whole life. Follow me step by step okay.
I’m on my phone right now so this is what I did.
- Safari
- Google warcraft logs wotlk
- Hit the first hyperlink underneath the search bar
- I press the 3 lines at the top left of my screen
- I press ulduar
- I press statistics
This is what I see from bottom until I get fury warrior, if I don’t list the class/spec that means they do more dmg than fury.
Arms:6478
Sub:6883
Bm: 7054
Mm:7264
Frost:7349
Fury:7452
And right above fury is…. Ret:7565.
And at the VERY TOP, 2700 dps above arms. Is affli lock. And you tell me with a straight face, that that is how you like the game. One class not welcome to the raid, without a spot, and another class doing 30 percent more dps than another. I mean hell, and these people on the forums say, frost is a pvp spec, the. Why is it right underneath fury?
Also I had to post this here so everyone knows how wrong you are when you say that ret is worse than fury.
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I would say 20% is a really good range… the weekly rankings they publish on wowhead show a 30% difference between the top and the bottom, but even then it’s not bad. That’s averaged over all the players who log. In reality, provided you’re not in a super hardcore progression guild, any significant discrepancies are likely skill related.
Balance between each dps spec is actually pretty decent right now, definitely within what I would consider reasonable. However…
I completely agree. There’s no reason not to take a dps warrior to Ulduar 10. Anybody not taking you is being absurd right now. Every single class is viable and can do enough damage to contribute to a successful Ulduar 10 group. Ditto for 25 and also hard modes.
People are the problem and it’s silly. This perception of extremes even happens on retail, where balance is a lot tighter. Humans kinda suck sometimes 
With that said, Blizzard is making buffs so it totally makes sense for Warriors to get some too (as well as any other underperforming spec). This is happening, why not. Anybody arguing against that is bonkers… it benefits everybody to have class balance for all roles more competitive with each other.
Just temper your expectations here, because people will always try to stack with what they perceive to be the best. So Warriors may well get a buff (as they should), but you might still not get invited to raids because you aren’t a Warlock/Rogue/whatever.
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You are braindead 
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That’s 100000% what it is
Notice when they were the stacked class nothing was said. It was ok and acceptable. They didn’t care at all.
Now it’s them who has to be the bottom and they’re up in arms, it’s a problem now. One of these clowns is even trying to say “I’m trying to prevent class stacking” like they give a crap about any class other than themselves. They only care because it’s not them being stacked. I’ll admit though, their hypocrisy and tantrum throwing has been a pleasure to read on my breaks
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