Correct.
These players have already been completely geared out with split runs. The Warriors in these speed clears aren’t being brought so they can be “geared up for Shadowmourne” or whatever false narrative Sarahbeth is trying to gaslight people into believing. They’re being brought for speed runs because the raid has determined they are valuable.
242 ilvl fully BiS Fury Warrior brought to the rank 1 speed clear. “hE’s bEing BroughT To GEar HiM OUT for ICC.”
Well we don’t know unless we ask them. We anll know that warriors are completely eclipsed in all aspects of ulduar besides xt and kolo.
And I just don’t know why people want to bring up what the best guilds do on every post. 90 percent of the game, when they play there warrior in ulduar, they’re dead last in overall dmg. I experience this, ask for buffs. And y’all CANT BELIEVE it. There is literally no reason to be against it.
Im over here like “boys my class is dead last in all 3 talent specs, can we get our dmg increased just a bit.”
And y’all LIVING on the forums talking about completely jibberish;
“Actually, the best guilds in existence have warriors doing middle of the pack dps at 242 ilvl”
I go and look at logs to find the warrior is still eclipsed by bascially everything if he isn’t pressing the cleave button at all times, even at the highest lvl of play, the raid would still be better with a feral. Why not bring a feral for that specific spot, who knows? Prolly because one single swap like that would give them 20 seconds in the overall clear, and maybe having that commanding shout actually saves someone at some point, saving them time. Regardless, the endless rhetoric that I constantly hear where people say “warriors good, the top 10 percent are middle of the pack” is absolutely foolish.
You HAVE to be smarter than that.
I show data that proves warriors are dead last in overall dmg. That’s it. You need no further proof, there is literally no other data that can be obtained, to swing anyone in either direction.
I know this is new to warriors, but all that time when you were crushing meters for the last 3+ years there were specs that were dead last in dmg.
There always is someone dead last in damage. That’s it.
You HAVE to be smarter than that
High end Warriors are doing well - and they’re desirable.
Mid range Warriors are not - not compared to other dps specs. There’s an unusually large gap between the good (not even best) and the average Fury player performance.
BRO, ACTUALLY BRAINLESS, HOW MANY BALANCE CHANGES DID THEY DO BEFORE WOTLK!!! NONE, SO NO I WASNT ON THE FORUMS ASKING FOR CHANGE AND NEITHER WERE YOU BECUASE THEY WERENT DOING IT.
Not only that, IF I even played classic(that game was so unbalanced, had a goofy pvp system, and bosses did nothing) why would I have been on the forums asking for buffs nerfs?? I made this warrior in classic, leveled to lvl 60 and quit. I wouldn’t have been on the forums asking for buffs becuase evidently they were stupid strong.
Two points here:
There’s never been a class that is dead last at every role they perform before. Even in Vanilla every class had a role they were desirable in.
Sarahbeth is wrong and Fury isn’t dead last DPS. Average Fury is doing very poorly but good Fury is competitive.
If ‘2’ was incorrect and Fury really was rank worst DPS then ‘1’ would actually be a problem. But it’s not.
It’s worth looking into causes of the disparity between the top Fury and middle Fury performances though.
What is this to fury low fury high argument bro. Literally click all percentiles, and look at fury warrior, it’s dead last. Can you not read a graph. Why do you go and look at 90 percent parsing fury warriors and then compare them? Why are you attempting to argue based on 10 out 100 people?
I’m not though - you literally ignored my comments about the average Fury.
You should use more caps.
You are trying to use emotion to argue and present no facts. You think balance should happen every raid (which is still the worst take over seen on these forums lol.) class lead sims are showing warriors do scale as they thought despite your feelers. Top end guilds are taking warriors despite you pretending they have no utility or damage. When such a massive % of top end guilds being them it’s safe to say they know more than you and you’re the wrong one
You got nothing but feelers
I’m sorry I think bear tanks are worse off than prot. When I was sifting through top speed clears I was seeing more prot than even DK tanks (I’m assuming because DK tanks do less damage?)
I absolutely care what the top 10 in 100 can do because they show what can be at optimal levels. If you ignore them you and buff according to the bottom you will absolutely destroy class balance. I value the top 10
I care about the whole box plot. The top performers and outliers indeed show you what the class is capable of.
But ignoring the average is a bit ridiculous. That’s the experience of most players. The fact that there is a significant gap between the average experience and the top also speaks volumes.
Why is it that the average Fury is performing worse than any other “pve dps” spec but the top are competitive? What is going on with the spec that makes performing okay on it unintuitive to the vast majority of players?
That’s a rhetorical question - there’s a number of buggy ability interactions that make this the case.
What does this even mean?
Fury has 329,000 parses.
Obviously fury is being brought by everyone.
Yeah I would have completely skipped that convo too about the asking for buffs/nerfs in the past 3 years. I bet you will reread that shesh for the next bit and regret typing that stuff. Lol. I had to put all caps so people would see it when they’re scrolling and read what you typed. It was honestly so dumb that when I leave work in a bit I’ll tell my wife about it.
I bet your main has never seen above a 90 parse in its life.
But yeah if you believe that at the very highest lvl warriors topped the meter, and at EVERYTHING below a 90 parse they’re dead last, and you nerfed warriors because of that, you would lose a huge chunk of the game, they would quit. If you already contributed no dmg, when your ONLY purpose is damage, and you took a nerf. You would never get brought to do the content, you took a nerf at dead last, holy moly.
Just respond this with, this is how you want the game to be or not so I know if I need to keep responding to you.
Good thing you don’t do class balancing in a video game because you would have no one left in the game.
Look at the boxplot on warcraftlogs.
I’m talking about the average here, not the total. The majority of Fury Warriors are doing a lot worse than other classes…there is a huge gap between good Fury’s and average Fury’s in performance relative to other classes.
The spec as a whole as a totality is doing okay. We are getting raid spots. Top guilds bring us because top Fury’s are performing well enough. Average guilds bring us because we bring good banter and buy them beers and the meta isn’t as strict. We get brought to raid.
Oh, the data that proves there bad means nothing to yo? You just seem to forget that people will play what’s fun despite the meta… okay. Well now you know. Fury could have 1 billion parses and that would not mean they’re good. Did you know a majority of the world practices Buddhism?? Does that mean it’s a good religion, becuase I don’t and won’t ever practice it.
It means that people want buffs for the sake of buffs, to improve their loot prio, and not to improve the game.
It being fun is irrelevant, its being brought for a reason.
Or it means you didn’t read or understand my point and have your own axe to grind.
It brings a good buff.
Its dps is good enough to kill every boss and HM.
I agree, again you are not in any way addressing the point I was making.
Oh I definitely understand it. I just don’t think low end parsing matters at all.
It wouldn’t envy the guy who’s job it would be to bring up the bottom while not affecting the top end.