It’s not really cherry picked. I hoped you’d scan the higher brackets to see that the average fury warrior there was beating the average ret (although the highest ones have too few parses to draw good conclusions).
The way Ulduar is designed makes it too hard to get to those fully best in slot item levels that warriors pretty desperately need. 1 252 piece per boss is miserable.
They aren’t at risk of passing combat at this point though.
There will always be underperforming specs, learn to live with it, adapt and move on.
Which even now in Ulduar is warriors. They are found in most high end speed running guilds. These are guilds that have their pick of the litter and choose to bring a warrior. As you said I think people confuse “stacking multiple” with being good. Combat rogues are very good but you never would stack them. You bring 1 for their physical buff and that’s it. Several specs fall into this identity.
When you aren’t brought for dmg, and you’re only brought for a buff, you aren’t good. I hope that y’all all understand this. The warriors in top guilds are there because they want commanding shout. Which is 3k health. Warriors are also the best recipient of sm. And no, if you ONLY bring one, you are good. On a scale of 1-10, warriors a 3.
But I was told you have no utility
Welcome to being a hybrid class. Enjoy.
Also this is simply your opinion. Many others, myself included, would define good as being able to do enough damage in combination with whatever else you bring in order to justify rostering at least 1 of you.
How are you 5300 GS if you cant get into 10m? Reality is all the specs are fine and people are the problem trying to min - max every last detail. Im sure there are plenty of “Dad” guilds that would love to have you in their 10m runs, but that probably isn’t good enough for you.
Yeah you and all those people you just described. Don’t know what good means, what you’re describing is necessary. And commanding shout is by no means required to kill anything.
Yeah it isn’t lf they probably out here wiping on hm ic 10man and stuff. Dads typically will play with there homies, get no gear, spend all night doing it, and call that gun becuase they weee with their homies. That ain’t me my boi.
I mean there’s very few buffs “needed” to kill things.
If they are so unnecessary why do so many high end guilds bring them? They obviously value them and their buff over another DK/lock/rogues damage. I think the best guilds in the world feel they are “needed” or else they wouldn’t bother with them.
Being brought to a raid because of what you bring is good 100%.
If you are a class that’s being stacked it means you might be too good or overpowered in a way. I am not saying they should be nerfed, but no one should be brought to that level if they aren’t already there naturally.
you should reroll feral, lol
That won’t do, you still only taking 1 lol. That’s not good enough for him.
By that logic, only 1 DPS spec is good, because the rest are just brought to buff the DPS of the best one that you are stacking.
There’s no real reason to limit yourself that much, because the theoretical gains from class stacking to the fullest is pretty small, not to mention painful because you need to have them all be better than the other DPS specs to significantly out DPS the rest.
You don’t just automatically top meters because you pick affliction lock. The differences in class potentials are small enough that warlock only has an edge like that when able to match or beat everyone else in the raid skill and gear wise.
Relative PvE damage is honestly pretty good at this point when looking at historic data, and you aren’t going to get a meta where nothing is class stacked.
People will go for top single target even if there was only a 1% advantage, or they’d start focusing on cleave potential, or they’d look at ramp up times, or any number of things they could decide to optimize their raid around.
It’s pretty pointless to worry about theoretical DPS differences when the difference between the top and bottom PvE DPS specs are this narrow.
Warriors there to be geared when they icc. So that he can smourne.
Nah, combat rogue is brought to buff physical dps, because physical dps is a big portion of dmg dealt, however combat rogues dmg is meaningful. Can you do me a favor and post overall dps dealt in ulduar?
Not true, ferals are strong than rogues, bring brez and innervate, and is top 3 in ICC, you def don’t bring one.
I’m taking that as they only bring the warrior to grab Smorne?
First I’m gonna just say no. These are speed clearing guilds. They don’t bring you for what you will bring phases later. They can funnel a player for later phases in any raid.
They bring you for what you are right then and there. Speed clearing isn’t an investment. If in p4 fury went god tier there would be 5+ fully geared ones in every clear fully geared ready to go from split runs
Also you think fury is good enough to get it? Over the ret paladins? Over the ubholy DKs? I don’t disagree with you, I’m just happy to see one of you admit you’re worth it.
From what I have seen, people are still bringing just 1 feral.
Yeah I guess they don’t bring another, is the same reason I don’t play it, I have have a feral.
If you dont want to believe it that’s fine. My other train of thought is that when warrior is played by the best players in the best guilds, they’re performing around middle of the pack. So it’s not the worst. When you’re not in the top 10 percent of raids in the world, you’re the worst in the game.
They were buff nerfed buffed in the space of a week … RLs aren’t going to be changing their raid comp meta until the dust on that settles.
And people are still bringing 1 fury.
Never said otherwise.