Im just saying that once a particular avenue of argument is shut down by logic, it changes to soemthing else. We have seen it more times than not over the years. At first it was GS. Then it was iLevel, now its IO Score. Each with their own arguments as to why they believe its the best tool in the galaxy and noone ever gets carried, the people with low scoes are bad, so on and so forth.
But then when its brought to light that, people pay for scores. (I see at least 4-5 people selling groups every 30 minutes) Then its no longer about your score, its about whats needed in the party.
I dont know why its so hard for people just to admit its no a flawless system, people do use it to gate and its a bad thing in that respect.
No, experience cannot be quantified based off of what someone may not know. Simply because they ran a +2 on one toon, doesnt mean they havent run a higher one last week, or on a different toon.
Maybe they didnt have time to run up their key, or didnt have a lot of time to play and only got that one done. I have seen some VERY geared people who’s last key was a +2 or a +4, but, had just run a +7 with them the week before, or they brought their shaman instead of their warlock.
There are a lot of factors there that people either dont look at, or dont want to look at. They just blindly swear by the little number and go “Nah you arent good enough, no invite”. THAT type of mentality is what keeps a lot of people from doing M+ as content. Among other things.
One I have personally run into, are the actual trolls. Had a buddy with a +7 ToS key, was excited, coulda meant a new staff at the time. (Got one in Ny’Alotha). Put together a group, 3 of us guildies, pugged a DPS and a tank. We get in, buff up, stick the key in, tank pulls the first pack of trash and leaves party.
Those types of things, along with constantly being told “Not good enough” by strangers with (not to mention) garbage IO’s themselves, or little to no outwardly apprent experience, DOESNT make people want to do them.
Perhaps encourage people to play tanks/healers and stop screwing them with content? Or provide content that said tanks and healers WANT to repeat. That would help alleviate that issue, but over the years Blizz has proven that they have no actual idea of how to make the game that was decent, decent again.
If you want to seriously pug at any point in wow, you’ll register for the site, sync your account and claim a main. This way people can see your real experience. And yes, what a toon has run is the very definition of experience. Does it combine all of your characters together? No, but that’s why I said put on there the character you do the most with. I do most of my io building on my rogue for example and I’m sitting around an 850. Not the greatest but the characters I have that I actually pug with are getting into runs that have upgrades for them.
If you can’t settle on a character than you shouldn’t really be mad at people not settling on you when they know absolutely nothing about you. That’s the point of the thread and the largest misconception about io, is that people don’t understand it and look at people who use it as hateful and that just isn’t the case. All io does is help people make selections. It forms an automatic resume so that people can build their groups the best they possibly can with what they have available.
And even that can be skewed. People out right pay for +10/+15 carries all the time, so while a player may have cleared it on-time, that doesn’t mean when you invite them, they’ll be useful.
I didnt say me. I play my druid here majority of the time. I only really change if someone needs help with something specific. I dont run a TON of M+, my score is 414 for the current season.
I do not run a ton of mythics for the following reasons:
I raid on two characters, 4 nights a week with my guild.
I am responsible for cauldrons, flasks, codexes/tomes.
The times I am not raiding, I am farming herbs usually, or working on rep.
When I am not doing that, I try to help others with their keys, and MAYBE my own, if there is time.
I also work a full time job as a mechanic.
I have a wife and home to take care of.
So no, I dont have an infinite amount of time to sit on the listings pages and be declined 20 times before being accepted into ONE.
No, it simply tells you what Dungeon and + key it was, how much time you were under the limit, or over it, and assigns you a score base don that. It I believe also tells you who it was ran with and you can inspect them individually to see their scores and most recent runs. But it has no way of knowing whether you paid gold for it and such.
It can’t tell directly, but there are signs, such as 15’s popping out of nowhere as completed, instead of seeing a gradual work up path. Plus you can see how many times they’ve run said dungeon. If I saw someone with just a handful of 15’s done and no runs at lower lvls (14/13/12) I’d expect a carry.
And if you really wanna research you can check what affixes they did them on, since some affix combos are ridiculously easier then others for certain dungeons.
Truthfully, its always been a gamble. Unless someone is logging all their runs, you cant actually tell how they did individually. It doesnt say how many times they died, to what, what their DPS, HPS and all that is. It is very basic still even for the info it does have.
You could invite someone with a high IO score and they cause more harm than good to your run, so much so that it jeopardizes getting it on time.
You could invite someone with a low IO score or someone without a score at all and they do superb damage, manage interrupts, stuns, know mechanics, etc.
Agreed. Do I think the creators made it with the intention of holding people back, or using it as a gate? No, I dont think so at all, but it is certainly happening.