You act as if it’s such a labor on you to get groups and use rio ‘as it should be used’ while the majority of the playerbase is getting spit on by its users. The trickle down has gotten into the low m+ and I can’t reasonably see how you can defend this. It is gatekeeping. That is ALL it is because it is NOT an accurate and reputable record of skill.
Abusing a system that caters to you and then telling everyone else to make your own groups? Despicable. Go ruin a different video game.
Not sure why you make any further posts here when you flat out refuse to address any of the points I made. I’d be annoyed with myself to not respond to someone inquiries.
It is a labor. There is no acting like… Since you haven’t done it and obviously don’t create groups, your opinion is pretty useless here. First, as other players have already lamented in this thread, lots of people don’t like making groups. They don’t like the pressure. The majority of players out there DON’T host content. If they did, this discussion would be a complete non-issue. If players, like you, that want to complain about gate keeping… hosted more content, then the problem would be gone over night.
But, you don’t.
You don’t host content and would rather argue on the forums about gatekeeping. You want to blame the people hosting the content. You want to say it’s easy, but you don’t have any skin in the game.
You see, when I host a group for my key, I have everything to lose. If the key fails, I’m the one who loses out. I’m the one who gets a downgraded key. It can take hours or days to recover a key, especially if you have bad RNG. So when you get a ‘good’ key like UR of FH, the pressure is on to insure it succeeds. So you put in the effort to make the best group possible. It’s not 100%. Nothing is, but you try.
Defend what? The addon? What am I defending? M+?
I enjoy the addon and I think ladders create a competitive and enjoyable experience for the game. I’m a competitive person. You clearly aren’t. Competitive people in general are willing to to feel uncomfortable for the sake of winning. For improving themselves. If I can’t get in to a group? Guess what, I make my own.
As I said earlier and the question you avoided, is raiding gatekeeping? Mythic raiding? How about PvP. Do you think 1800 players should get to face off against 2400 teams? That fair? Is it fair to you to toss LFR players into Mythic raiding groups? That fair? Is it fair to toss players who only do +5 keys into +10 or +15 groups?
This is such a laughable argument made by someone who clearly doesn’t understand how any of this works. As noted already a 100 times here, no one is saying it’s 100% accurate.
You know what else isn’t 100% accurate. Life. People lie on resumees all days. Had a coworker who was fired because he lied about his experience and it was evident. College degrees? People cheat the system on those all the time.
This is no different, but the thing is, that isn’t the majority. Its the very, very small minority. I 100% realize there are amazing players out there in green and blue gear. I get that. There are good players in the 1200 bracket in arena. They might need help. They might need direction. They might need a good group. I get that.
But guess what, that’s just how it is. That person has to put forth the effort to prove themselves. So instead of rolling the dice on EVERY player who signs up, I have to take a risk and I hope the information provided is as accurate as possible. The majority of the time it is.
No one is abusing anything. The information is provided by blizzard in multiple forms. If you have any issue with the addon, the ladder, or M+ in general, your issue is with them… not the community of players enjoying this form of content.
The people ruining the game are players like YOU that refuse to host content and instead point the finger at others and expect them to put in the work. Do your own keys.
So… impress me. Take the time to respond how the other forms of content AREN’T gatekeeping. I’ll wait.
It’s just like in real life just because a piece of paper says a person is good at something doesn’t really mean it’s true. People are people they have good days and bad days. IO is good because it does something blizzard should do by default.
We already know the direction blizzard is heading and their ancient interface just doesn’t keep up. They entirely count on people making addons and sites. If these didn’t exist or they had some really absurd system(not mentioning some other mmos cough) it would be dreadful.
Easy. None of the other content requires you to participate in a third party website/addon or any other thing outside of the game’s provided functions to participate. Rio has permeated that deeply that if you don’t accept it, you likely won’t get to participate unless you entirely and completely circumvent it by bringing your own players.
The information is provided by blizzard and then manipulated. Not to even mention that the information isn’t even complete since only the top 500 is logged per server. It is not a clean transition from information from blizzard to information to players.
Honestly I don’t like responding to people that are so entrenched in their opinion that it’s just a waste of time to try. Simply denying other people’s perspectives doesn’t really win an argument, it just makes you seem belligerent.
Assuming a lot, aren’t you? I’ve done my fair bit of content before M+ even existed. What work? Using your key? OH GOSH THATS SO MUCH WORK TO CLICK A BUTTON. You wouldn’t know what work is if it slapped you in the face.
Here’s the thing. It’s NOT work because I refuse to use rio. There’s nothing so inherently wrong about failure and giving people a fair chance that is worth damaging the lifeblood of the game by making it this toxic cesspool that you love so much. The problem is that you literally can’t avoid rio now. So you lose a key now and then? Who cares. You’re at least not shutting people out at the door. And you DO need to be nice and host content and get some people’s confidence up so that they will eventually do it themselves.
I’m sorry but you’re defending a third party element that is actively hurting the game and I won’t accept it simply because you’re delusional about it because you’re benefiting from it.
“Why don’t these people make their own groups and system outside of rio and blahblahblah” I dunno man, I’m an artist, not a programmer. Maybe that has something to do with it.
Raiding you are almost certainly not getting an invite without bring looked up on logs or raider io too. That’s 2/3rds of end game. Seems like the majority to me not only keys.
Or you could just list your own keys and dozens of people will sign up on minutes.
Also you can apply to keys of an appropriate level where you won’t need to be carried and keep signing up till you get in. You know like everyone with a high io did when they were getting it up.
Are you sure that is still the case? I have never had a run not count and that’s including season 1 when I was doing 3s and 4s.
Pot meet kettle?
Assuming a lot arnt you? Why are you complaining if it’s so easy to do then? Just do it and your “problems” melt away. Should be easy for someone who had done so much before m+
You mean people can’t hide how inexperienced they are? Sounds like a good thing to me. Who cares? Me. Maybe I spent all week pushing my hey up as high as I could and now have a 20 freehold which was a super doable key last season. Then I get little mctitanforge sign up who has never done a key in his life.
Why should his right to try content be more important than my right to have a fair go at completing content? (If you only answer one thing from my post I would like it to be that)
The fact that it is third party is irrelevant. Blizzard has met with the people from raider io at blizzcon. We don’t know what about but probably either about incorporating it into the ui (like gear score) or helping to smooth the transfer of information. Either of which would be a good thing.
What would being an artist or a programmer have to do with listing a group in a video game. Just press “I” on your keyboard and click list instead of find. Hardly programming…
You might not be a bad player but statistically the 1500 player is going to perform better than you just because he has done it way more times than you.
Its the same reason when applying for jobs some companies want 2 years exp in the field before hiring. Sure a fresh graduate might be able to do the job as well but its all about minimising risk especially when pugging.
Think about your own decisions when you buy say a TV, do you go with one of the international brands with a proven track record or do you go but some brand you’ve never heard of before?
Low io players complaining that they can perform the same as high io players is like a no name brand complaining that people are buying SAMSUNG or LG TV’s even though their TV can perform the same
Its just simple logic really. People whining about raider io are always the ones who have low score. Mine isnt particularly high but you dont see me whining about not being able to get into M20 groups when ive only ever done 15’s
But that is my, and many other peoples points. Statisitics are very often fabricated. Just as anyone can lie on their resume about their work experience if they are clever enough. Anyone can lie on their loan applications and fabricate their income. Beyond a certain point, there is no way to tell if the person has gone to enough lengths to make sure.
Just as with those things. Raider/IO is a tool yes, but it is fallable.
You cant just take the minority case and use it to match your argument.
Yes its fallable but statistically its a much better chance of getting someone decent than inviting a 400io player.
In the case of raider io, they remove the ability for people to “fabricate their resume” and that is a huge positive so I dont get what your point is?
The only way for someone to fabricate their io score is to buy runs and lets be honest, those people arent queueing for pugs anyway. I sell multiple runs throughout the week and its the same group of people buying the runs. Sure their io might be 1300+ after a while compared to your 700io but they are never queuing for pugs. They just buy a weekly run.
You’re like the special kid who just hears what he wants and ignores everything else. All my previous posts that you have no legit response to you conveniently ignore
No wonder your io is low you’re the kind of person that blames everyone else for your position rather than actually putting in the effort to change things lol
My IO score is low because I dont do a lot of M+
But its nice of you to assume, thats probably why you think any new shiny thing that comes along is ht best thing ever.
so buy runs as well. There is such a small handful of people who buys them. You guys are consistently crying about it when you can also do the same if you want.
Again, you have no evidence to support the actual number of this. I am not saying its high or low, I am saying it happens, that is a fact. I dont buy runs, because I dont want to. I dont feel the need to have a high IO score that I didnt work for.
Exactly. You dont do a lot of M + yet you want to join the big boys who farm high keys easily and complain when they dont want to carry you?
What you’re basically saying is “I dont have the necessary qualifications because I dont do the content but I swear im just as good as the people who have ACTUALLY done the content! If you dont take me its your own fault and nothing to do with me. People just need to realise I am sent from God!”
we all know it happens. I sell runs as well. But let’s be honest here people who buy runs will repeatedly do it because they can afford it. Why queue to a 15 have a headache because they can’t perform when they can just buy 1. These people never join a pug group
then work for it. Not that hard. The amount of time you complained here you finish a +2 and +3 key which you’re pushing.
Im not asking to be carried, nor did I say “I want to run 10+ you have to invite me”. Hell I didnt even say “I want to do 10+”. Now you are simply making things up and quoting things I didnt even say. You are shooting holes in your own argument, please, continue.
Yet you feel you are as good as the people who have worked for their score?
You argument that people can buy their way to high io score is moot as they are a very small minority and if you are using a small percentage of players as your argument thats your own fault.
You are basically saying that EVERYONE is going to win the lottery because 0.1% of people have won the lottery so IT DOES HAPPEN!
When I feel like it, I will. I am not complaining, I am simply saying that like all tools, it is not 100% accurate. That is a fact, that none of you seem to want to accept. Ergo, you are wrong in your opinions that raider/IO is completely accurate, because, its not. Its as simple as that. You people just like to come here and crap on people for things they didnt say or do. Just to try and get a rise out of them. Which really, is a pretty pathetic hobby. You should get out more. Get some sun, or something.
I feel I know my class and spec. I feel I know the affixes and what they do. I feel that if I were to get into a group doing 10 or higher, I would probably not be the one causing issues. But again, thats a matter of opinion. You’d disagree with me, because its what you do, without knowing how I play, whether I can avoid things, do mechanics properly and without actually knowing what I as a player am capable of.