Than some of the leaders yeah.
Thrall could take him, so could Sylvanas, Lor’themar as well.
He’t not really anywhere near as strong as he was before.
But yes, they should definitely poop or get off the pot with malfurion/tyrande
Eh, I’m a Disc Priest… from an immersion point of view, I’m basically already the bad guy. On my best day, I blast those I deem my enemies with the Light, infuse my allies with the power of darkness and only otherwise heal them under contract of Atonement to my own morality flexible agenda… and only when I inflict suffering on another.
On my not best day, I’m a Shadow Priest. 
Bring on the same “morally grey” nature the Horde gets to enjoy. It’s about time we fought fire with fire outside of an out-of-game novel.
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There is nothing morally grey. Killing civilians and kids. Attempting genoicde, raising undead slaves are and always will be outright evil. People who do the above shouldn’t be in either faction. Fit in better with the legion or lich king minions
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I still say BFA just went south. So many unanswered questions. So many impossible happen in just one patch. Op is probably right we going to need more than these still. These should at least disent in the horde. Why they getting ignored is beyond me. It centered around them.
- How is Queen Talanji dealing with things. Remember she stated she not a allie with the horde. Buta co equal. They now being buddies with the very fractions that ravaged her home, killed her people and father.
- How is the Mg har ok with being with alliance? The light forge has wiped out there home. Almost wiped them out. The only one to give encouragement and she turns on her and embraces the alliance. How could this even happen?
There just so much that going answered. Our we going to have to ignore it? If not something has to come about.
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If they’re gonna kill Sylvanas it better be in a high definition CGI cinematic.
So I can experience the pure beauty of it, watch her fanboys howl.
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Morally grey is literally the end justifying the means.
So yes, all of those are morally grey.
100% support for Tyrande here.
Decapitate the banshee and everyone who followed her.
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I’m aware - I used the quotations ironically.
At the end of the day, I just want 1 win for the Alliance. An actual win. One on the level of a Theramore or Teldrissal. Something that results in a lot of Horde bodies, very few Alliance… and your “faction pride” being faceplanted into the mud. Something basically Alliance has had to deal with off-and-on to varying degrees since Cataclysm, whenever Blizzard felt like starting another bad faction-based story. But if we need to all endure another one, let’s flip the script for a change… see what happens.
Whether women and children get spared or not, I don’t really care. Let’s just get to shove your noses in it just once… and leave the debate of our ethics to your faction and the softer folks in mine.
I mean the Alliance literally raided Zandalar, slaughtered a large portion of its people, destroyed almost its entire fleet and assassinated their king.
Goblins don’t have a home.
Forsaken sacrificed theirs.
Trolls have a tiny island.
Blood elves had their spot destroyed by Arthas only to have it rebuilt and then raided by Alliance and Horde.
Horde really just has Orgrimmar and Thunder Bluff lol.
Alliance has Stormwind, Ironforge, Exodar, the Ruins of Teldrassil
Unfortunately, a completely worthless victory over people who just joined the Horde yesterday led by a king no Alliance-only player would have even seen once. Nothing on the level of the genocide of an original Alliance race.
You wanna replace Zandalar with Echo Islands, and the Zandalari with the Darkspear… and King Ramonoodles (or whatever his name is) with Rokhan… okay, now we’re talking. And make it clear the Darkspear have been all but genocided… that’s even steven. That’s “about square.”
What genocide?
There was no genocide.
There was the tactical destruction of an enemy stronghold and an occupation of territory providing the Horde with near solid control over Kalimdor.
Um. It’s been referenced as Genocide - Elegy , Chapter 5
It was Genocide.
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It was listed as genocide by those who suffered it, that wasn’t what it actually was lol.
I feel like I’ve had this discussion like 10 times now in two weeks, must I pull up all my research again to prove another person wrong.
Civilians die in war. Teldrassil was a strategic decision. The capturing and razing of enemy cities is as old as war essentially. Literally nothing new here.
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Okay, you’ve made the cardinal sin of boring me now. I have no interest in debating whether the genocide of the Night Elf race was an actual genocide or just a “theoretical genocide.”
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Not theoretical.
It was certifiably, not a genocide.
The purpose of attacking Teldrassil was not to target the civilians and kill them for being NE, but to capture and raze the city to break the hope of the NE.
It’s literally in the lore.
Everything about Teldresil has pissed me off frankly.
The event was too over the top evil and yet blizzard played it off as though it was a tit-for-tat event with lordaeron.
Then their war campaign came with an awesome cut scene promising the night elves were finally going to get their well deserved vengeance–they didnt. But blizzard said they did…ok.
And now it seems likely that all of this was groundwork that they laid just so they can avoid making a much needed game change. Splitting the playerbase is a tired dated mechanic and frankly sets up more occasions for irritation and frustration than it does moments of fun gameplay. But it looks as though blizz has waited to use the worst set of story events from the beginning of the game to reset the status quo at the end of the game with likely equally sorry events.
Blizz you suck at faction stories, bfa was all the proof of that we need. Change the way factions work, let us play together, and give us a longterm common enemy to unite the playerbase. Or are you gonna spend another entire xpac doing amazing cutscenes to tell a story about a single factions character and pretend that the story is about both sides again?
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Uniting the factions will essentially kill the game.
It’s one of the unifying themes to the game, part of the foundation.
Removing that, you might as well scrap and start over.
You forgot Silvermoon which is protected by the loading screen God just like the Exodar is. We can’t interact with Teldrassil ruins (unless something has changed) anymore than the Horde can interact with blighted UC. Major cities are equal - and disappearing at an alarming rate. Pretty soon everyone on Azeroth will be homeless hobos like us 
I didn’t forget Silvermoon, it was wiped out by the scourge, then raided by both factions.
It’s like a shell right now lol
Homeless hobo sounds fun though
I disagree from the stand point of story telling. While I do like the Jaina story this bring resolution to a character making her more compliant. In story telling, characters are riddled with issues that is what them dynamic. No one wants to hear story of a perfect person making all the right decisions and having no conflict to resolve.