Omg…
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Because the Horde currently canonically outnumbers the Alliance as of Nazjatar / the Mak’gora. Anduin comments directly on it.
I’m personally of the opinion that Baine would immediately give up Ashenvale to his Alliance Masters, but that’s here nor there. You asked why people think the Horde could hold onto it. There’s your answer.
Logically the Night Elves should have Ashenvale at this point.
In 8.1, Tyrande left with the mission to reclaim her and her people’s home, this is also why she was absent in 8.2 and 8.2.5.
In 8.3 she returns and we know that she has reclaimed Darkshore, so why should she stop there? She wanted to reclaim her home, that includes Ashenvale. So if she hasn’t entirely changed her mind, Ashenvale should be back to Night Elf control.
Also, another option which I think is less likely is that Thrall and Baine just give the lands back to the night elves (if they don’t have it back already) because you know, they signed a treaty not to invade these lands in MoP and they have to make up for quite a few murders.
I still want the Night Elves to kick the Horde out of Hyjal though and make that their “new” home. From there they can expand their influence to Ashenvale, Darkshore, Felwood, and Winterspring
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I figured Hyjal would be their next home if they couldn’t regrow Teldrassil.
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I don’t even want them to regrow Teldrassil and I don’t want them to station in Darkshore or Ashenvale considering how easy it was for the horde to butcher their way through. Hyjal is way more safe and it’s their former home anyway.
Nothing’s safe from Blizzard. For instance, the best teleportation specialists in the entire world are in the Horde.
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And Goblin Engineering is obviously superior because they have invented the cloning machine.
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And night elf civilians can outfight the entire Horde’s combined military (sans Tauren.)
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Well didn’t really outfight them, they got butchered pretty much
Read Elegy.
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A good war shows how effective the Night elves were against the horde as well.
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Even if they fought them, they still all ended up dead on the ground
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His point is that in Elegy, though I think it’s actually in A Good War, the Kaldorei Citizens and City Guard that took up arms were taking down 8 Horde soldiers for everyone 1 fallen Kaldorei.
Though no one would know that from just playing the game because that’s not what they wanted to show in the game. They wanted to show a Horde power fantasy.
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Or this.
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Technically they weren’t civilians. That was the token force of Sentinels left in Ashenvale and the city guard, but mostly the city guard.
Maybe this is part of the problem. Wc3 chimed in with, suprise!! purple pointy eared kryptonians!! Ever since their inception, night elves have been ridiculously better than everyone at everything. This just continued through book series like war of the ancients. It got to the point where, if night elves wern’t shown as a race of demi gods that plyers felt slighted. Not saying they some how deserved what they got in bfa but it just made the blows that much worse.
Every time a horde race gets dumped on its just another day at the office, 0 suprise from anyone. Its a faction of races almost all of whom are displaced or were being wiped out. If i heard a horde race was going to have a populatin devistating event happen to them id think “again? Who this time?” No outrage, just a sigh and start trudging through that stuff… again.
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I see your point but I don’t entirely agree with it.
You do get this impression in W3. They handled the Orcs easily and had numerous allies of nature.
Not really. In those books they weren’t doing all that well. Yeah they had some success but the legion was for the most part crushing their ranks. The dragons helped immensely and the other races added to. The Wild gods also added their strength so the elves didn’t do it all on their own and they needed the help. Not to mention the following 2 wars that they won but took heavy losses.
I don’t agree with this either. It’s not that they arent shown as a race of demigods but they are constantly shown as incompetent or ignored. Garrosh was able to outflank them in Ashenvale and push his way through. It took Varian and the worgen to turn the tide. Varian, a well known hot head preaching patience and strategy to Tyrande, a military leader 10k years his senior. Tyrande having no presence at ToS when we had to fight her mentor. NE priest players having the human centric Light shoved down their throats becuase the Sisterhood gets zero representation. I could keep going.
It’s these reasons and more went BfA is such a big hit. Here is an example from A Good War. Blizz wanted the horde to win but they way they did made absolutely no sense. Saurfang went over fellwood and attacked and when he did Sylvanas heard him scream “For the Horde” and started her attack from the other side. Here’s the problem. Saurfang was ALLLLLLL the way at the Northern edge of Darkshore where as Sylvanas was stuck behind the wisp wall near the entrance to Ashenvale. It’s just as stupid as the catapults being able to reach Teldrassil. The race is treated so unfairly.
I won’t argue with your point on the horde becuase I mostly agree, except for the Orcs.
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The only battles I can think of where they won battles with “Alliance” help was in Ashenvale in the Wolfheart book, which doesn’t count because that was the Worgen helping and they were allies with the Night Elves and trying to show they were worthy to rejoin the Alliance. The only Alliance there was Varian was it not, but that was Blizzard getting their Human Potential in there making him Goldrinn’s chosen one. Completely taking that fantasy theme away from Worgen.
The other time is in Darkshore, but again that was the Worgen and they did that “against Anduin’s wishes”. He said he couldn’t fight two war fronts and yet the Gilneans chose to help the Night Elves instead of the rest of the Alliance.
I don’t know that feels more like the Worgen helping out their Kaldorei allies, who they were allied with before joining the Alliance, than the Alliance helping the Night Elves win battles.
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From Elegy:
- All who could walk were pressed into service. Even those generally regarded as civilians—tailors, food merchants, innkeepers—had learned over centuries how to fight well enough to defend themselves. Those few who could not—mothers with infant children, the wounded—had been portaled to Stormwind when the magi arrived.
Delaryn watched, feeling wretched, as those she had ostensibly been sent here to protect joined their Sentinel sisters in racing silently across the bridges, armed with bows and daggers.
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My mistake.
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