We kept the pressence we had in the zone, we simply moved it to Stromgarde. Am I making myself clear enough?
How is saving the Tauren a crime, unless that’s your definition of doing anything that doesn’t serve Night Elf interests?
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Likely abandoned because apparently Trollbane forces were moving refugees from some Horde base, a pity Thrall forgot this place was to honor Orgrim
Entering to argue with Akiyass? Prepare to being blasted with headcanons and self-righteousness that makes HMP tame in comparision
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This is far from my first rodeo with her.
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I think the problem here is that you’re choosing not to see the difference between Stromgard and Refugee Point. Between a fully functioning castle, with walls, homes, a tower and more, and literally a handful of tents.
You’re arguing that moving to Stromgard is lateral, yet it’s anything but. It’s a vastly increased presence. It’s simply more. It is absolutely a victory, and claiming it isn’t is just a blatant lie.
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The problem is Treng argues that we gained zones, not pressence within zones. I will fully admit that Stromgarde is an improvement over Refuge point, but it sure isn’t as he says, a whole new zone. He also says that we’ve gotten Stromgarde as a kingdom back. Which only works if you pretend Stromgarde keep is the whole kingdom, and not the surrounding lands, which are currently infested with elementals, ogres, trolls, kobolds, Horde, and who knows what else.
He makes an mountain out of a molehill, to try and pretend that the Alliance have gotten it so much better, so that he can perpetuate his victim complex.
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The alliance surely don’t have it anywhere near as bad as the horde has it. Imagine if every other expac you’re told your side are the evil ones and you basically suck for liking them. One top of loosing your heroes to conflicts that amount to nothing in the end, because the faction conflict HAS TO end in a peace treaty.
Much as some alliance players complain, you guys truely don’t know how good you guys got it
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No, but I can imagine how it feels like to be a doormat for the opposing faction to walk all over, so that they can have a story about self reflection, all while being a footnote in the actual story. And at the end, you are denied any kind of revenge, or restitution, and just told to shut up and forget, because as you yourself said :
I know the Horde has it bad. But if I see another Horde poster try to diminish what the Alliance has gone through i’ll bust a vein.
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I mean, what have they really gone through? Outside of teldrassil, the alliance lost nothing of importance. You still got all your WC 2 and 3 heroes, most of them wielding near god tier powers now. And they still retain most of their holdings in the world.
And I would gladly have lost a few if it meant Teldrassil didn’t happen, or if it meant The Alliance were allowed to give as much as it got. Have Danath and Halford killed. I’d gladly have traded them away if it meant the Alliance were allowed to show that they won’t allow anyone to do what the Horde did unavenged.
Sorry, you’re gonna have to go WAY up the ladder from a pair of lesser NPCs. We lost the leader of the Forsaken, Sylvanas Windrunner, and the meme king Saurfang. Either one is more iconic to the Horde as a faction that both Trollbanes combined. Both of them are Nathanos-tier individually.
Malfurion and IDK, Alleria sound about right.
Don’t forget you guys also lost Vol’jin 
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Then who in all the hells will I be questing with in Ardenweald who will also become a loa?
Also, Varian died at the same time. And he didn’t have the luxury of having a troll loa sugardaddy.
Fine. But that assumes they all got the same level of storytelling that Either Sylvanas or Saurfang got. But I would prefer if someone went out who were a mirror to Saurfang, and it sure isn’t either of the ones you mention.
They already have, so done.
Alleria is the closest you have to a mirror.
Oh, you’re also losing a Trollbane. I’ll let you pick.
While we’re at it, what new character did you get in the time frame of BC to Cata? Cuz they’re going too. Someone very prominent. Genn I think should do. He was mostly a jerk up until recently, he can be your Garrosh stand-in.
Oh, also, Tyrande will be retiring from Cata until the end of BfA. Won’t see her much.
Good news tho! You’ll be keeping your Baine analog, so Anduin’s safe.
I’ll keep going later. But you’re def not done losing people for this idea of role reversal you think’s all kinds of appealing.
Did I mention you’ll be told by your favorite characters that you are an honorless cur for two years? Yeah, that’s in the package.
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I’m fine with loosing Genn. Long as Ivar or Darius step in and bring the worgen to a more morally grey standing. Wishful thinking I know
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Sorry hon, part of the package? They don’t get to step in. In fact, after Genn dies you have to wait a decade to even find out who fills the role as the leader of the worgen. Blizzard will be ambiguous about answering, but eventually you’ll get one.
It’s probably going to be Tess.
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In Bfa, specifically. You’re not getting away with offing them like trash.
There’s only one trollbane. You’re thinking of Wyrmbane. But i’d choose Wyrmbane. One last glorious war for a veteran.
Velen. His story was complete with legion anyways. Give the Draenei a reason to fight, and Anduin a bit of rage over having lost his mentor.
So not very different from how it was, outside of Val’sharah? Malfurion could have been the only character there, and with a few tweaks, nothing would have changed.
I didn’t realize you favored Alliance characters over Horde characters.
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Fair enough. I can deal with that. What’s more salt in the wound right? Hugs
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Sure thing. Alleria as the Saurfang analog, just move all her Legion development to BfA. Malf can get a little more screen time to make up his Sylvanas deficit.
Nah, can’t be Velen. He’s the Lor’themar analog.
It’s definitely Genn.
I wasn’t aware that she literally left Darnassus for a decade. Stop downplaying her.
I don’t even know what you’re saying here, because none of your characters call you honorless curs.
Oh, BTW, after Malf dies? The dwarves now get led by… Crap, there really isn’t a Calia analog. IDFK, the dwarves are now led by Zappyboi the Troll.
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