Tired, sure. That doesn’t mean they want the war to end before they can achieve what they justly deserve. Which was the original claim earlier in the thread, if you missed that.
Sure, that’s your point of view.
It’s not about Tyrande being wrong. The original comment was about hoping for character development and Tyrande just doesn’t really have any across the Night Warrior story (so far as I’ve seen).
Most character development involves some form of internal conflict and reflection. It’s not development when “Anduin learns mass resurrection,” or when Sylvanas’ DPS triples. Development occurs when we learn more about the internalized aspects of a character - and for good characters, when they take extreme actions, there’s usually some form of internal conflict that has to be settled and reconciled. Without it, you end up with “Garrosh turned more and more genocidal and xenophobic.”
I proposed a possible path because it seemed the most “obvious” option - she’s chasing vengeance and she allows vengeance to consume her and then has to reflect on her actions. That doesn’t have to be the path.
Maybe she has to choose between killing Sylvanas and the Night Elf souls and decides to use the power of the Night Warrior to save the Night Elf souls and sacrifice herself in the process (and then Elune grabs her up). Maybe she picks killing Sylvanas and then lives with the regret but justifies it as saving other souls.
For a character to develop (through large events and changes) there has to be a lot more than just actions. “Okay - choice made, now I’m Night Warrior - pew pew bad guys. Vengeance!!” really fails to deliver.
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ill give you stormheim however, the guy that ordered taurajo (hawthorne) was Killed by the horde, killing the one that did the deed IS retribution however you seem entitled to kill jaina because she was the leader of this guy, should i feel entitled to kill every horde faction leader that actively destroyed an alliance town or commit a war crime against us?
By your logic we shouldve been entitled to kill garrosh and the entire horde after sylvanas destroyed south shore (newsflash we didnt kill sylvanas), if we do a tit for tat your faction would be several I.O.U that would negate any kind of retribution from your faction since it would leave your faction with a character kill count debt against us.
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Jaina helped the horde to basically exist, i dont get what are you arguing, you seem to make as this city was this incredibly danger to the horde when it wasnt the case since, you know, it was jaina’s and she was advocating peace and helped baine when that little betrayal episode happened, its not as clearcut as you make it, its actually worse and it was indeed a betrayal, why? she couldve just help her father and we wouldnt be having this discussion since the game wouldnt exist.
edit:godamnit guys you got me to post again,hoorah… we shouldnt derail the thread.
So you can’t punish the players for Teldrassil because they’re not responsible.
You can’t punish the characters for Teldrassil because fans like the characters.
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We’ve been punished for two years and are about to be punished for two more.
It’s not enough.
It will never be enough.
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Almost like making a faction responsible for a genocide is a bad idea.
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Bruh, BFA punished EVERYONE
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People attack a lot of the Nelf race and its players, bringing up odd bits.
Some say the Night Elves didn’t help the Tauren. But the Centaur and such being a millennia long plague was really only introduced in World of Warcraft and is still treated as an after note.
Some get tired of hearing Nelf players “Whine” about wanting a certified win - not having Horde being beat into the dust, but something that doesn’t seem like a pyrhhic victory that costs them something or a hollow one.
Some also get tired of Tyrande talking down them since they’re a representative of the Horde. And I get that. But after such incidents in the storytelling it’d be a heavier break for Tyrande to treat a Horde race on amiable terms when she hasn’t succeeded in what she feels is necessary.
Every player and both factions get a bad hand dealt to them due to the contrived writing of Warcraft. The Night Elfs need a win. The Horde needs genuine reform. The grey-scale conflicts igniting and dying down are a necessity to continue the World of Warcraft. Again, I agree that it feels horrible after everything that’s been happening during and after the War of Thorns.
Can we just can it with the hostility towards other players please? It’s mindnumbingly low-grade. We can all hope and talk about what we’d like to see, and ignore the crazies who just want to envision 100% of their faction and giving 0% back.
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I swear I’m not trying to pull you into a gotcha moment, but are you stating the one single victory the Horde achieved – THE ONLY ONE – was not pyrrhic or hollow?
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Depends on the type of horde player you are.
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No it absolutely does not.
Honor Horde:
You wear the badge of sin forever and had to hide your loyalties because Blizzard sucks. you also lost VAROK SAURFANG.
Sylvanas Horde:
You wear the badge of sin forever and must hide your loyalties because Blizzard sucks. Also, you lost Tirisfal, SYLVANAS WINDRUNNER, & NATHANIEL.
No, I agree. I am moreso talking about the Nelves because that is what the topic is on about (Tyrande). I would also welcome the Horde achieving victory, same with the Alliance. As long as it makes sense and pushes the narrative forward for both.
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But currently, we’ve both achieved pyrrhic victories, which have cost the Horde more than it cost the Alliance.
Why does the Alliance deserve a non pyrrhic victory?
Why do Arathi and Darkshore not count?
I said both deserve non pyrrhic victories. You’re completely obliterating my well-meaning intent.
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I don’t know, I still see Sylvanas fans claim she’ll be proven right.
Welcome to the internet.
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Alright, I apologize. I’m used to folks wanting it one way or another.
Why do you want the faction war to continue for these two victories? What gives you faith that Blizzard won’t screw it up?
Also, again, why do Arathi and Darkshore count as non pyrrhic? The Alliance won the entire war and got lands out of it.
What would you call the siege of Lordaeron if not the most pyrrhic victory?
We already owned darkshore, and the Horde has basically destroyed the Zone. I can admit we strengthened our hold on Arathi, but again we already had a foothold there. And Teldrassil is ofcourse completely gone. Not even Tirisifal was removed as a zone entirely.