It’s kinda weird to hate on night elf players for this when you obviously have Horde players wishing similar things for night elf or Alliance players, if you only look a bit further. If you’re going to let other players shape your opinion on how the story should unfold, then the story forum really has no reason to exist.
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Make him “green” and call him Firetree (the tribe we don’t know what happened to them after the Dark Horde was destroyed. They are still alive, that much we know).
This is the only time I was mildly amused at anything connected to that awful hair style which only tells me: Devs hate Trolls.
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This crap is why I want to see less of the factions, not more. Whenever the factions are involved in the story these days it is just a crap show and spoils the experience. I would enjoy Shadowlands more if the factions completely sat it out, characters and all. Blizzard isn’t going to suddenly change. We have been hoping they will for years but they repeatedly just keep feeding us the same crap.
It isn’t any player’s fault, though I have found some of the suggestions on what players on either side think would make things ‘fair’ laughable and a clear sign of how little many players seem to be able or willing to understand the other sides point of view. Blizzard does this and that is all there is to it.
This is the main point. It doesn’t matter if Tyrande saying what she says makes sense. It doesn’t matter if it is character. It is a miserable experience for a Horde player and how Blizzard wrote the story made it that way. Saying ‘It makes sense’ doesn’t change that. The Alliance accepting peace with limited penalties for the Horde for what it did also makes sense since the Alliance couldn’t afford to continue the war and the Horde wouldn’t have accepted those penalties. However if felt terrible for the Alliance players to feel like the Horde got of the hook and there was no justice for what was done by Horde soldiers.
Making sense doesn’t necessarily mean pleasant and enjoyable storytelling.
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Reason #4837263859 why the factions are cancer to the story.
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I’m still open to the idea of just retconning BFA. They were hilariously unprepared for what that’d start and how dangerous it’d be to the franchise of Warcraft.
To the topic on the table: yes, this was a grossly, ill-planned story. If they couldn’t had committed the time to create a Horde/Alliance-unique questline, they should had, at the very least added a mcguffin that requires your assistance rather than “psh, yeah, you can help if you want, idiot”. Or, just allow the Horde character to skip the story all together and give them a flat payout of the questline reward.
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They really aren’t. The problem are the writers. Their stories are in general rather bad those days. With a view exceptions perhaps here and there.
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If the writers focused on each player loving their faction more instead of hating the opposite faction, things would be better.
There could be a war every other patch and people wouldn’t be mad
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Too much bad blood I’m afraid.
No amount of redemption of slaughter could ever fix it…unless I get to kill everyone.
::He would look at LHC and also the Red Dragon Flight.::
You’d be surprised with what people get over.
to all my horde folks in here crying about helping tyrande and the hate (pointing out the bad writing and it feeling like the writers are punishing horde for being horde is valid criticism) it’s not that bad. By the end of it tyrande says you’re atoning for the horde. This plot line might be the reason why tyrande won’t go after the horde as a whole. It may not but we all know how things can change on a whim. But maybe I think it’s not that bad because shandris attacked night elf players in the maw, and that really made me laugh. Also it’s gonna be funny when these threads are made next week by alliance for having to help out trolls
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I agree with the OP and the general sentiment in this thread. But I find it easy to “mildly” RP my way through it all. I darn well better - especially as a Horde Loyalist who agreed with the reasons Sylvanas and Saurfang laid out in A Good War. I feel Sylvanas used the truth to propagate her lies, and the best lies have seeds of truth. While being abused by Tyrande in Valsharah, I was indifferent about it. The dinghy broad doesn’t know what’s good for her. I suppose I have that same attitude in Shadowlands.
My Main is a Zandalari Druid and Malfurion is among my favorite characters, vying with Muradin for the top spot. So during Valsharah, I could tune Tyrande out. As if I had to deal with my boss’s harpy shrew of a wife while trying to save my boss. Or as if I am helping my good friend move to another state, but he had to work, so I am stuck helping his annoying useless insulting wife. That was sort of my RP in Legion while dealing with Tyrande to help Malfurion.
In Shadowlands… I can look down my nose with a smirk and a sneer and a grin at Ysera and Tyrande and Shandris, regardless of what ever they say.
When Ysera mentions being there to defend Teldrassil, I can’t help but cackle while considering the myriad of retorts. I would probably say:
“How fortunate for you that you were slain before that tree was burned. Or I would have killed you at Teldrassil, and your soul would be mulch for the Dark Lady.”
Something along those lines. I figure my Character is keeping his mouth shut for the sake of the universe in the face of these insults - but he would be smirking and laughing in their face.
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That makes it bad in my view. We are not the failure of faction leaders.
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That’s fair, we aren’t. I guess as someone who hated the burning, anything is a win. I also just don’t care that much about tyrande’s opinion of my character to really care if she hates me or not. I don’t want to come off as defending the bad writing and I don’t want night elves to continually tell me how much I suck. If it continues after this, my opinion will change greatly. This was enough for me, I understand hate but anymore than this and it’s to much. We players had no control in the narrative and shouldn’t be berrated for it, especially if we pick night fae. Horde players who pick night fae probably hated the burning in the first place and shouldn’t be getting this hate. I have mixed opinions on this and I am trying to find the dialectic of it all
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I mildly disagree.
The factions aren’t the problem. The spotlight focused on them is. Having some background stories during an expansion about the Light coming to swallow us or the Void hosting an interplanetary dance party wouldn’t be a bad thing. Like, as we go to the shadow realm of voidy dance-offs, we get a break to go back to our major cities. The Warchief Circle wants our report on the world-threatening Salsa, but while we’re here, they want us to go find out what Derpy McFlumpsabout is doing in Ashenvale. And turns out, Derpy, a Forsaken apothacary, needs us to do a quest chain because he feels back for the WoT and wants to plant some trees to repair some of the damage done. And the quest ends there with the trees being planted, no more to it. Or Anduin wants the Alliance Champion, during their layover in Stormwind to get their new dancing shoes, to go help a pack of worgen who’re trying to build their new homes in Duskwood and make friends with the feral worgen there.
Little things, not global wars. Things to show these people doing… People things. And without the opposite faction, in utterly optional and irrelevant side quests that award fifty gold, a small amount of McGuffin power and some tiny toy.
The existence of the factions is fine. Blizzard just needs to remember they aren’t two opposing militaries 100% of the time.
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Perhaps. Some for sure. One of my twinks will go there for the Vol’jin and loa quests. The burning and how it happened was stupid in my view. But non of my Trolls would be mad about it, at all.
I understand you and have not a big problem with it. The writing and story telling is strange to me though.
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There is a huge mess.
It is something pointed out that the Alliance doesn’t have an equivalent, every time I worked with someone at the horde, they were cool with me.
But, Tyrande has reason to be pissed, and is not on her most reasonable self.
If by the end of the Covenant campaign, the Horde character gets to be on a positive view with Tyrande, there would be horde players happy, horde players pissed, and some night elf posters pissed as well.
They created a trap for themselves. Because some won’t accept if the Horde gets in the good side of Tyrande, some won’t accept if she remains pissed at the Horde.
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https://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Recovery_of_Tyrande_Whisperwind
For those that want to read the dialogue stuff.
Eh Thought the dialogue would be worse, I still see it as a better choice if Horde players could just tell the night elf to be gone, And then have the questline be about something else, you know non-troll non-bwonsamdi related. Hunting drust with other spirits or something. Cairne or whatever.
Then again blizzard would have to pay royalties to some voice actor so that is a no go.
Forum Mod Edit: This post has been edited by a moderator due to masked language as it is in violation of the Code of Conduct.
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It is aggravating that they could not come up with something better.
We should be able to call her out on her hypocrisy. Ten thousand years of inaction.
I would of loved it if she tried to kill the horde player and failed. Elune stopping her from hurting us; with one of her uber barriers, because mwe are the only thing that can save all the NE souls.
Tyrande could use a big fat humble pie. She treated me lIke poop before we burned her house down.
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is malfurion cheating on her back in azeroth or something?
Blizzard is even more blind than lucasfilm was pre-mandalorian season 1.
All the biggest and most popular lore characters are in factions. You really expect them to do an xpac with no characters anyone recognizes does anything?
nod
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