Know this full well. But still going to point out the flaw in the story because of it.
You like self flagellation. That’s fine. Blizzard gave us an entire highway of cookiecrumbs leading us to the conclusion that Sylvanas was acting entirely on her own AS WE CANONICALLY SAVED NIGHT ELVEN LIVES.
WE ARE NOT CANONICALLY GUILTY, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU AND/OR OTHER NIGHT ELF POSTERS WANT US TO BE.
Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
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You literally carved a path up to the tree in an effort to break the spirit of the Night Elven people and then later returned to raise them into undeath.
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But that’s only after you help clear a path in the WoT to get there in the first place.
Edit: lol Kordana
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Yes. We fought a war. We won a war. We spared civilians while Sylvanas sent rogues to kill folk in Ashenvale after we left.
Citation: The Night Elves returned to find rogues in Astranaar.
Are you implying that the player character had anything to do with that?
Edit: Don’t bother answering.
The answer is no.
Double Edit:
It is unbelievable that anyone can say that the Horde had anything to do with Sylvanas raising the dead, when the Forsaken specifically cannot reproduce without her.
Yeah, there’s certain mistakes that go far enough regarding negligence to be unabsolved just on the merit of being a mistake.
Isn’t that literally a player quest?
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Feel free to link it, Irenaus.
Night warrior scenario horde side.
Help Nathanos rise new undead night elves in darkshore.
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???
Tyrande Whisperwind says: You will not see another sunrise, monster.
Nathanos Blightcaller says: How uncouth for the… Queen of the Tree Elves, is it? No, I suppose that won’t do… What exactly do you rule over these days?
Tyrande Whisperwind says: I am no queen. I am the kaldorei’s vengeance!
Nathanos Blightcaller says: You are nothing. Raise them!
Brynja says: Rise! In the name of Sylvanas, the Banshee Queen, I bestow this gift upon you!
https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_Ranger_Round-Up
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Well, hell.
Danuser made a liar out of me.
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I don’t mind not having narrative control. I like the shared experience; I wouldn’t want it to be like SWTOR, where there can be two different emperors depending on the player’s choices.
But given that, they shouldn’t railroad us into things like burning Teldrassil.
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The Alliance and Horde will always be stuck in the terminal loop. Neither can destroy the other, yet must also hate each other to keep the core engine of the game running. The Alliance is not meant to act belligerent, so they only get indirect focus in a way that makes Horde players feel smothered. It is like there is some core of the devleopment team still stuck in RTS “Humans vs Orcs” mode. You can only convince people to run on that treadmill for so long, and 16 years is an awful long time at it.
The only real solution would be the fracture the factions into at least three groups. Two party systems in general are a recipe for drawing out the worst tribalist tendencies in people.
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Despite I’m among the first to call out nelves fans from their whinny bubble and mindset alongside their narcissism.
I’ve to admit they are right on the writers of Warcraft are just plain and simple a bunch of morons with delusions of grandeur that push their own stories of their pet characters regardless how the playerbase feels.
It’s very interesting to see how the “lessons” they learnt from watching GoT was going against the fandom thinking Drama will sell and the players will be attracted like mouths and this will be their undoing once people get tired of the content
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GoT had a lot of story mistakes I am sad to see WoW pick up for sure. You can only shock and awe people so many times before people become numb to it, and also unrealistically suspicious of EVERY action anyone takes. It causes the entire story to get bogged down because no one can agree on such a fundamental thing a motive, to the point the genuinely nice story beats simply get drowned out. That is why shock and awe is a strategy that a good story-writer uses quite sparingly.
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Well to be fair, no the horde didn’t, because the horde has no agency. It’s a fictional entity under the control of real-world writers. Writers who have made the decision that the horde did this, and that people playing the horde need to constantly have it ground into their faces that the writers decided this, and thus those players’ characters are innately degenerate and evil.
It’s not a fun experience. It is in fact anti-fun. it feels like a penalty against the players for playing Horde, because of the bad writing decisions of the people behind the game. I didn’t roll horde in 2005 to be a degenerate monster, the villain in someoen else’s story… but it has been decided for me that that is what I have to be.
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Question here.
How would Tyrande canonically know whether or not we were spies working against the Horde or full fledged members of Sylvanas’s purge squads?
I mean, I got two full transmog sets that say I was murderizing Alliance NPCs while spying on Sylvy. Blood elves were absolutely there in the battle. I don’t recall a moment when Anduin pulled out his cellphone and texted a selfie he took with me and sending it to Tyrande with the caption “my new blood elf bff just helped me and the rebels kick Sylvy out TTYL”. As part of my cover story, I was expected to fully take part in all murderhoboing and just pass on intel to Saurfang, so those crimes I still did. How would she know my character was among the rebels? I know I’m the Chosen One, but so are a bunch of other blond haired, green eyed, female blood elf hunters with pony tails.
Other than my feathermane named Clawful, who is not the Champion of Azeroth and just follows me around, what would distinguish the “good Horde” from the “bad Horde” when Tyrande first meets us?
I’m more asking because Shandris seemed to chill on the whole “Horde, eww” bit quickly after meeting us, and Tyrande’s still going “girls with power = crazy” and was also pretty dismissive of Shandris too.
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Shandris has always been a lot more level headed than her mother, honestly. She just recognized what Bolvar was saying was the truth, and grudgingly accepted that she did not have another way through it.
…I would say canonically if a chronicles ever covered the matter? it probably would say a Kaldorei champion aided Shandris. just like when we get to helping Vol’Jin and Bwon it would say a ‘champion of the horde’ aided them. The stories are just written that way, and they put in loose logic to explain it for gameplay if you do not fit the role.
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It’s great having such modular questlines full of options and moral decisions, isn’t it? 
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remenber when one the main features of bfa was about faction pride ? yeah me neither
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