Sadly there are people alliance side, who can’t separate the faction itself and the players of said faction. I get it, the ones in charge of burning teldrassil should be punished, but do we really need to punish the horde playerbase again, after they just got done being told they suck for liking the horde for 2 yrs?
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I play both factions, I like them both for different reasons and dislike them both for others. Petty bickering over story decisions the player has no control over? I just find that to be ridiculous, the player in this story will always be railroaded into doing whatever the story needs us to do to progress it further.
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I’m of the opinion that without Stormheim, that Sylvanas would not have the pull to go to war in BFA. She wasn’t particularly liked in the Horde (The belves, the closest to her, hold her at arms reach), and Horde leaders beyond her and Gallywix aren’t exactly warmongers.
If the last interaction Horde soldiers had with the alliance was fighting side by side with them on the broken shore rather than having to fight off a cowardly sneak attack from truce, your average Bobgar and Joegar would probably not be as willing to support a war, especially if someone like Saurfang could not be brought onboard. But yet, the Alliance kept antagonizing the Horde, right up the WOT, and here we are.
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Well the only real antagonistic thing Syl brought up from recent times as the Stormheim thing, she went back to old wounds like orcish internment camps the sacking of storm wind etc etc to iterate how no one had forgotten these old wounds.
The answer is, it’s a bit of both.
The Alliance’s stated goal, per the NPC Dialogue in the Alliance quest, is to destroy the supplies. This does mean destroying the caravan wagons. This is further reinforced by the Alliance NPC death quotes.
But, the 7th Legion was attacking Vulpera on the Horde side of the quest. Here’s a video:
https://youtu.be/yDRNp9N49QA?t=235
I’m linking to a particular timestamp because there are actually a few vulpera NPCs. The 7th Legion is actively engaged in combat with the hired guards. The couriers are actually either shackled or just standing near their burning carts, which is shown at that particular timestamp.
Nisha’s dialogue is particularly interesting, especially the line, “The only thing these were guilty of was accepting a good-paying job to transport supplies.” Combine this with dialogue from some Hired Caravan Guardians, “I didn’t sign up for this!” and “This was supposed to be an easy job!” I almost wonder if the vulpera were fully informed of the conflict, or if they didn’t fully understand what they were getting into. Like, it doesn’t feel like they were aware they were transporting war supplies in an active war between the two superpowers.
We’re not sure who started the actual fighting. Likely, the Alliance came up and said, “forfeit the supplies”, and the caravans said, “nope”, and the Alliance responded with, “flame hands we weren’t asking”. Given their characterization, I don’t think the Alliance would have tried to burn the caravans with the vulpera in them, but would likely try to forcibly remove the vulpera from the caravans. This would have prompted the guards to act and attack, and the Alliance military would have the right to defend themselves from attacking guards, even if the guards weren’t a part of a formal military. But, the guards would have been in the right to defend their caravans.
The Alliance is there to fight the Horde, not for conquest or subjugation. Likely, they would have let the vulpera be, but certain vulpera aided the Horde, which puts those vulpera at odds with the Alliance’s objective. So, from an Alliance perspective, they’re just shutting down supply lines while trying to minimize collateral damage. However, the vulpera do have hired guards, and the guards are fighting the Alliance, so they have to defend themselves.
However, that doesn’t matter to the vulpera, or to Nisha. Regardless of whether or not they fully understood the scope of their involvement, they saw invaders attack their homes and burn the people trying to defend their homes. From a vulpera perspective, the Alliance are hostile invaders, regardless of the grander scope of things.
It does draw a lot of parallels to the War of Thorns. The attacked peoples aren’t necessarily aggressive, but they are aiding a hostile superpower. The attacked peoples see a foreign invader, and they’re just trying to defend their homes. Whereas the Horde was in the wrong for starting the War of Thorns, the Alliance was in the wrong for attacking the caravans.
For example, Nisha suggests the vulpera were just “accepting good paying jobs”. The Alliance may very well have been able to try to pay the vulpera to work for them instead. Basically, “If the Horde is paying you this much to help them, we’ll pay you that much and more to help us.” Instead, it seems like they directly became aggressive.
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Jokes on Tyrande, her own goddess isn’t going to bring her vengeance and just show she is just bark and no bitting
Sadly, you’re probably right hun. But next week is Night Fae Campaign:Night Warrior Curse. I or someone can update you on what happens if you like 
Sounds good. Honestly with gearing my main, I haven’t leveled a single alt to experience the rest of the covenant stories outside of the Castlevania one (Although most of those campaigns are just a big pile of faeces so not much of a motivation)
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When the faction is made to lose large swaths of land, oftentimes with large casualties, in ways people in and out of the story claim to be horrendous, only to forgive the faction responsible and “move on” until it happens again, how can someone not claim being a punching bag?
Stop gate keeping how people feel.
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You lost land in cata because you had waaaaaaaaaaay more content than the Horde did in the first 3 expansions. Horde was an absolute afterthought in classic.
How you turn that into being the punching bag boggles my mind.
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I mean, I just find it funny that these same people who claim the alliance is a puching bag ignore the fact the alliance comes out on top decisively in every expac involving both factions.
If anyone’s been a punching bag its the horde and horde players, one getting the villian bat and loosing their leaders every other expac and horde players being told they suck for liking the horde.
I’m a worgen fan, so I really sympathize with how blizzard has been treating you guys. Human Potential and pretty purple elves must alway reign supreme in blizzards eyes.
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Man, the one real chance we got at taking out an alliance leader, to slightly balance the scales of leaders/lore figures lost in the last few expansions… ends up with literal GD plot armor saving him, and he’s now getting a power boost from going cybernetic. Because of course.
A bit more insulting than “Tyrande could solo Nathanos and a bunch of Val’kyr but he got away”
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I don’t think killing Mekkatorque would have been satisfying, though. Not only did gnomes not really do much for the Horde to be angry about, but no amount of being mean to the Alliance was going to feel good in BfA, after Teldrassil happened.
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Says you. After looting/murdering his way through Daz and having the cajones to call his victims thugs, I wanted to see his body mounted on a pike. Or punted into the maelstrom.
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Mekktatorque had a loud mouth but he’s utterly inconsequential to the Alliance. He’s shown up… twice? Three times? In ten years. Tyrande, Malfurion, Jaina, Anduin, Genn. These would be fair sacrifices for faction parity.
tho please don’t kill Genn he’s literally the only good character in the entire Alliance.
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They already killed Genn. The racist, self absorbed king of Gilneas was murdered and a brain damaged Dreadlord with a grandfather fetish took his place.
I don’t see the problem with Tyrande’s dialogs. 
Of course not, they’re written for you. Not for the players they’re actually said to.
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Lordaeron ended up being a wash. Sylvannas got her population evacuated, but Lordaeron was lost for the Horde. Anduin got his troops on a bloody rampage for revenge but at the end got nothing to show for it but a butcher’s bill.
If it wasn’t for Jaina Proudmoore though, Sylvannas would have decapitated the Alliance with her last move.
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Right. A perfect illustration of the power gap between Alliance characters and Horde characters.
I and countless others have brought this up repeatedly.
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