Thing is though up to then, most of the world saving magic was done through Thrall up through Cataclysm.
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Was it though?
I think the Alliance have the canonical kill on KT from Vanilla.
Velen took care of the Sunwell situation.
A male human Paladin got the kill on Arthas in Wrath.
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As I recall it was Thrall who channeled the Demon Soul to defeat Deathwing.
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Sure. But not for the 3 iterations of the game prior.
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I’ll disagree with you on this one to an extent. While the Alliance paid a dear price to take Undercity, they didn’t walk away empty-handed. The Alliance denied the Horde’s most important stronghold in the Eastern Kingdoms.
Undercity was just not some regular-old city. It was an important transportation and supply center in addition to being the strongest fortress the Horde owned. One could say Quel’thelas is important, too, but it’s location makes it difficult for the Horde to transport troops and supplies to other locations.
I hate using real world, but It’s like if Germany had taken out Moscow and the Russians were forced to resupply through Vladivostok, having to use the Trans-Siberian railway.
The Horde however denied Capital City to the Alliance.Them having the city simmilarrly would have put Quel’thelas and Tarren Mill in check as well as been a major problem with the Horde’s efforts in Arathi.
The Alliance didn’t need UC to hamper the Horde’s efforts in Arathi.
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The whole thing was ridiculous, the horde loses not just troops but also land holdings! Literally win nothing this war, abs I’ve seen a point parroted around that “We should see the horde attacking other alliance stronghold instead of just really fighting the nelves.” Well most of the horde is within Kalimdor, so that’s where their military might is so it’s more effort to try and invade eastern kingdoms then trying to fully capture Kalimdor.
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When they first announced that Sylvanas was the one who would start the war by attacking and burning Teldrassil, I could only ask, “Why?” Sylvanas has always been self-preservation first and foremost and thus would want to eliminate threats to Undercity and the Forsaken. Stormwind was the strongest threat to UC so going across the sea to commit to a campaign into nelf lands would leave her holdings exposed.
To this day I believe BfA would have made a great deal more sense and would have been a better expansion if it started with Alliance attacking Undercity first with Teldrassil being a retaliation.
However, Blizzard has no spine when it comes to making Alliance aggressive.
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It making more sense? Possibly, it was the justification Syl made to Saurfang to get him to agree with the war to begin with. But let’s be honest here, blizz would never write the alliance to be the ones starting a war even though Genn did attack an ally during a legion invasion.
The argument she used to sell Stormwind was that the Horde was in no position to open up a war by attacking Stormwind so the most logical strategy was to put the Alliance in checkmate by turning Teldrassil into a wedge between the Night Elves and the Worgen, and using that wedge to tear the Alliance apart.
Honestly though, if Sylvanas wasn’t just going for mass casualties and murder, the WOT up until the burning of Teldrassil would have legitimately worked to defend the Horde Heartlands, and will probably have worked.
Alliance would be down to 1 harbor on the entire continent, and launching an invasion through feralas would require going through a horde controlled chokepoint at Stonetalon or the Great lift. You could invade through Dustwallow but you’d have to get situated real quick before the Horde starts bombing. Add in the fact that the night elves would be explicitly hostages no matter how kindly Saurfang treated them, and that really limits your options.
Bored at work and just read through this entire thread. What I’m noticing? Alliance and Horde view “winning” very differently. The Alliance wants to see their revenge, in game against either the Horde as a whole or the major NPCs who took part in it depending on the player. Mechanics or Meta Story doesn’t seem to be as big of a factor. Thousands of Night Elves died in the story, and that’s what they care about.
Horde players seem to care more about the Meta Story. The Horde has a lot of victories in the story, but they’re victories don’t really amount to much. They don’t effect the Meta Narrative. In return we’ve lost an almost comical amount of Major NPCs, as well as a major part of the Horde identity that was barely being held together after MoP. That matters way more in the over arching scheme of how the story can and will play out, over a thousand no name deaths.
The Alliance “loses” a lot in the story proper, but usually come out ahead in terms of Major Lore Figures and the like. Both sides are losing in different ways, and both sides are valid to be upset at their losses. One side losing, doesn’t necessarily mean the other side lost. They just didn’t lost in a different way. We’re both victims of terrible writing
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