I haven’t, your words are your own.
Not to mention half of what you write is speculative fan fiction.
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I too feel like I choose the wrong faction sometimes. Difference is, on this side i’m left with a burning need for revenge that can only be sated by either having the opposing faction pummeled flat, by having said faction try to atone by themselves, or by having the people they killed ressurected in some spectacular fashion. And i don’t have control over any of it. I’m just forced to sit and wait. I could atleast play the role of the one seeking redemption on your side, and I honestly prefer guilt to anger.
okay and ?
I said a lot of the things they do are retcon to make the alliance look better than they are , including some of the things I said that you stated below , so yes the alliance does evil stuff and are jerks , but a lot of it is retcon because the writters have an alliance bias , doenst mean that I forget about them or that i agree with the retcon and consider those actions as no longer canon
I never said the alliance isnt evil enough , just that compare to the horde the alliance is always made to look like honorable good guys throught crap story and a lot of retconning of alliance bad deeds , when the horde and allaince should normally be equal in evil and good
AGAIN DON’T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH
who knows whats fanfiction and reality now with all the BS retcon and crap story that the writters come up with
Honestly it just killed my enjoyment of the faction’s premise in the story. The idea of thinking of the character I play as a good person is just…irreparably broken. 
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I didn’t, I just showed you your contradictory statements. It’s plain enough to see. You’re now moving the goalpost claiming you said something different from what you said, and you live in Schroedinger’s quantum box, where the Alliance has both done no evil due to whitewashing, and at the same time it must pay for all its evil actions.
Im saying you have to pick one- the Alliance did evil acts which are canon, or the Alliance didn’t do evil acts which are canon (even if whitewashed) and should therefore not pay for it. You want to play on both sides of the court.
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you wanna believe whatever you wanna believe idc , you are too dumb to understand what I meant and mean , your prob not mine , go bother someone else with your none sense
I never said the alliance did no evil , AGAIN DON’T PUT WORDS IN THE MOUTH OF PEOPLE
Oh, I know what you meant, I just think your line of thinking is contradictory and flawed and you refuse to see it because you want to be on both sides of the fence, and gives you an excuse to hate on Alliance characters so you can feel better about yourself.
You say Alliance actions are whitewashed but you still want them to pay for… actions that are whitewashed? Pick one.
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you cleary do not
I just think your line of thinking is flawed
I am not you I don’t need to hate on anyone to feel better about myself , you are the one trying to fight with me to feel about your boring life
like I said , yes they are whitewashed by the writters because alliance bias but not in my own personal headcanon , its not because the writters said something is canon throught BS retcon that me as a player or anyone else have to accept it
So yes I acknowledge the stupid retcon to make the alliance look like angels
but no I do not accept or acknowledge it as cannon
its like if tommorow teldrassil was “whitewhased” what then hein ? would all of you whinning night elf players just accept it and be good with it ? I don’t think so
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Why not? He could be a good person who was duped, who now venture into the shadowlands to seek vengeance and atonement for himself and his kin. Everyone loves a good redemption stroy. Or atleast I do.
I might, if it means not many night elves died at Teldrassil. Or the War of Thorns.
But Blizzard already tried to do that by shifting a lot of the blame on Sylvanas. It just didn’t work out so well, when people called it out.
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All of this can be solved if the quest just gives us an option to knock Tyrande over the head with a frying pan and continue the storyline without her commentary.
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I don’t RP. I take the view that my character’s defined by the quests the game gives me to do, and that’s one where I’ve effectively worked with big alliance names more than horde ones in an expansion about saving the world, just to go on and help clear the way to a genocide because “think of the children something something Malfurion must die”. And meta-knowledge of this feeling like a pattern of it not meaning anything because BFA intentionally left off with the alliance being displeased with ending the war and not wanting to let it go.
Besides, I was already forced to spend my redemption coin on Cata/MoP, a story I didn’t enjoy the first time around.
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Yet according to you, “the blood elves know they were at fault,” so shouldn’t that shopkeep have just accepted that it was his own fault for being a blood elf?
So, punishing people who “probably didn’t deserve” it isn’t disproportionate in your book?
… Okay.
Having the right to react at that level doesn’t mean the level is appropriate.
As you put it, “Hard disagree.” Being arrested is the attack they didn’t deserve.
Sure, why not?
But I think Daelin Proudmoore is a better example. And I get why he’s a hero to the Kul Tirans.
The correct term is “ethnic cleansing.”
… But after saying all that, you know what? I’ve gone around with you on this subject before, and I know you’re never going to budge. So I’ma make this my last post on the subject, at least for this particular exchange.
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You’re a good person. But you’re also gullible.
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It was a lousy change. One that makes it all the more clear that Blizzard doesn’t have the nerve to let Alliance be aggressive. Every time they try to move in that area or hint they want to, they chicken out in the end.
This is bad for Alliance as well. It will leave them in the unfortunate trap of always being “The Always Forgiving” faction who will let the Horde be as villainous as they want but will always forgive in the end without anything that resembles satisfying retaliation.
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Oh they were still agressive. They invaded and burned the caravans to a crisp. Without them, the Vulpera were no threat. Mission acomplished.
“Agressive” does not mean needlessly violent or cruel. It was a good change, because they fulfilled their objective of stopping the trade and destroying their supplies. Why kill them? No reason really.
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“I’m tired of being a punching bag”
But you’re not. Do you get that? Like… the devs regularly change the game, retcon entire storylines, just so your faction can look better. Every atrocity the Alliance does is either “redacted,” or instantly has Baine or Thrall justify it. No matter what happens, the Alliance always wins, is always pristine, never has moral quandaries or shades of grey. You, the Cherished Alliance Player, are the game’s designated hero.
The Alliance is anything but a punching bag. The writers and devs do everything they possibly can to make you the valiant, just, and true-hearted champion of the world with every story beat, and when they slip up and make you a monster, DON’T WORRY, either the game will be edited so that doesn’t happen, or there will be a part of Christie Golden’s newest novel that completely justifies you, for reasons you didn’t know at the time, but still, good for you, champion of the Alliance!
Your complaint is just that the horde does not get dicked over as hard and thoroughly as you might like. All the Horde leaders are dead, two Horde cities sacked, the entire storyline of the horde created in WC3 has been bent and broken exclusively to make you the hero and the game’s story isn’t fun for any horde players except a handful of screeching edgelords, but that’s not enough for you so you whine about being a punching bag.
Maybe you ought to enjoy the 80% of the game that is tailored exclusively to your enjoyment, mr. Cherished Alliance Player, and stop being triggered over the remaining 20% that isn’t all about making you feel good…
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I can think of two “atrocities” the Alliance has commited against the Horde. Camp Taurajo, and the purge of Dalaran. That’s two. The Horde has commited many, many more. And guess what? Most of them have gone completely unanswered.
Edit: forgot about the Stonespire tribe. But since all the dwarfs that did it died to the last, I consider that one avenged.
Tell me what we won in bfa. What our actions ammounted to. Because from what I remember, we didn’t get revenge, nor did we get reparations. We had to walk away once again, with nothing. Just like in cataclysm and mop.
And where did I ask for that? Better yet, how does that benfit me? I don’t care for it. Never have. It may as well not exist to me.
No, it’s all about the fact that the Alliance is never written as being allowed to take revenge, or demand something from the Horde. For whatever reason, we must either walk away, or we are too weak to make any demands. It sucks.
You believe that. I think it’s far more likely that the writers are more interested in writing the Horde, and thus they make the Alliance a sidenote to that. We react, and never act.
Not very fun for me either. Again, i’m tired of not being allowed any meaningful vengeance, or demanding that the Horde make ammends. “mOrAl hIgHgRoUnD” Is worthless.
2 out of 8 expansions were written with the Horde in mind, focusing on their conflict, and their strife. And the number of expansions focused on the Alliance? A flat 0. So much for Alliance bias.
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You sound like you want to play Horde, tbh. Maybe you should switch 
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Four.
Orc of Orcraft: Orcaclysm. Orc of Orcraft: Orcs of Orcdaria. Orc of Orcraft: Orclords of Orcnor. And, Horde of Hordecraft: Battle for Horderoth.
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