Tyrande and Horde [Night Fae Spoiler]

Its a major war, by asking

The vulpera was selling weapons to a faction that genocided one of the alliance member races

Why would they ask? Why should the Vulpera care about the night elves or the Alliance?

They came into the war knowing the Horde rescued a lot of their people from conquest and slavery at the hands of the Faithless, earning their friendship in a legit heroic manner.

It would make sense that they would be grateful for the Horde helping them more than they might be grossed out by genocide actions on a different continent.

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Remember when Alliance cried about Vol’jin telling them what to do in MoP and got a special dialogue option put in to threaten him
I’d have loved similar treatment with Tyrande and Shandris

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Horde got an entire branching quest-line in BFA. I admit it ultimately amounted to nothing. But the devs outright said it wasn’t even planned and they only added due to the horde outrage.

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I’m afraid they learned the wrong lessons here. I’m afraid the frustration from the impotent “choice” translated to their minds as “ok, choices aren’t worth the development time so we’ll just not do it” instead of “choices without any meaningful impact are the problem, especially when one choice has a toy attached and the other doesn’t.”

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I am pretty sure Tyrande could (and would) one shot you right now.

…Though it would somehow be hilarious if you could do that and she did one shot you, and the quest automatically failed.

“Branching”?

This word … I do not think it means what you think it means.

You do the same stuff whether you choose rebel or loyalist. It’s just that when you choose loyalist, you’re doing it without really meaning it, “to play along.”

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With the amount of lunacy the Horde PC has actually survived, I’d like to see her try. Sad truth is the Horde PC is actually stronger than nearly every Horde faction leader. :laughing:

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It was limited, but it was definitely branching. You talked to different people and got different context and dialogue. Again, limited for sure, but definitely branching.

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WoW is not a game that is good for branching narritives, because all options have to eventually merge back down to keep everyone on the same general story tracks.

At its heart WoW is a theme park, not a sandbox.

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With how her health constantly drains and fluctuates right now? We’d kill her in a couple of hits. That’s a big plot point. The power is literally killing her. She’s coming apart.

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The fine print for the night warrior ability causes her to gain health when she attacks, though. I dunno you could kill her given she is doing some pretty insane damage if she what… two shot nathanos?

I’m a BM hunter though. I can kill Jaina in Stormwind Extraction and I bet I could kill Tyrande too. Either way, I want the option to tell her to watch her attitude.

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I mean look, I loathe elves in fantasy in general, and I hate that Warcraft is doing the D&D thing where there’s an elf for every holiday or whatever. And I am very much on record pointing and laughing at night elves not knowing that water puts out fires, on their tree full of water surrounded by water.

But that’s more just to poke fun at the godawful writing that created this scenario, and the annoying Chinese / Korean market pressures that make Activision favor bid tiggy elves over literally anything else.

My problem lies with the amateurish writing - and sure, occasionally spills over onto the players who take this DeviantArt fanfic-level writing and seem to make it a righteous personal cause and want to make other people feel bad for playing a greenskin in red.

The “war” in warcraft has been rendered completely meaningless, due to its lack of purpose or resolution. The factions are so stultified and wrapepd up in this stupid military-meets-the-chosen-one garbage that I honestly think the whole franchise would be served by the whole slate gettign wiped clean.

Maybe that’s what Sylvanus is up to, “This place sucks, let’s start over” in which case, by all means, let’s get a re-do from the end of Frozen Throne forward; kael’Thas doesn’t turn evil. Garrosh remains a weepy boy in Nagrand. Gnomes have shins. Glorious!

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Ehh… it is part of the issue with the basic premise of the game. They made a two party system that has to always be at war as the game is red vs blue. The concept was not made for a game that somehow survived for 16 years.

Their mistake was letting the war go hot, as the war could not end with a real victor. It should of been left an eternal cold war which had a ongoing skirmishes pop up and some proxy wars.

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Team End Times would be happy to have you.

I’m not a powerless ranger.

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And this is what makes BfA a bigger gut-wound than the one that killed Vol’Jin.

The expansion was sold on “faction pride!” Horde were going to go to zandalar and be heroic bastards. Alliance were going to go to Kul’Tiras and be heroic bastards. The factions would spiral into a war for a limited resource - Azerite - while a darker threat (Nyalotha) looms.

BOOM. everyone feels good about their faction saving the damn day in their own zones. The war that forms between them is perfectly understandable in cause and scope and possibly resolution. The reason their fighting halts is to deal with an outside threat - a bit trite by this point in WoW, but it works.

it really feels like there was a re-write in the last month of development. Suddenly now the expansion opens with Sylvanas (somehow) nuking Teldrassil in a bit of on-site short story. Except… the horde player going into the expansion never knows about this. We’re literally sent on a spy mission to Stormwind ot rescue Talanji, then get sucked into the whole Zandalar storyline. you don’t find out about Teldrassil (which happened BEFORE this point) until you run the war campaign quest that starts AFTER you’re already on Zandalar.

It’s so awful. Even without considering the content and its implications and impact, this structure needs a book to the mouth

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I don’t have the book, and when I looked it up on the wiki, showed Baine saying that to Maiev.

I joined the Necrolords, but I would have loved to do the Night Fae campaign just so I can have a big fat laugh at Tyrande trying to lecture and being skeptic of my presents. Lets see.

  • I was there when her hubby Mal toke an axe to the back.
  • I was present when her people were burnt to death.
  • Helped Nathanos raised all of them into undeath (And boy did I enjoy that), and with how the afterlife is in SL the Horde was doing the night elves a favor.
  • Fought toe-to-toe with with her despite her power up.

As the Horde PC with all the run ins you have with her, Tyrande should know who you are by name at this point and be at the top of her &#^% list along with Nathanos and Sylvanas. And yet all you end up getting is a lecture like you owe her something. :roll_eyes:

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