So as a start, I understand most people have a problem with twinking because it offers and overwhelming advantage in some cases of “regular” players.
But what i dont understand is that high level PvP can and does habe the same issue with being able to be out geared.
So why then, rather than splitting the community, doesn’t blizz make stuff more accessible to people who give a darn and want to level through PvP (leveling off-pieces bought with tokens or something).
And yeah I understand blizz doesn’t give a flying flamingo about low level PvP, but if they can care about battle pet balance, they can care about leveling balance imo. We pay $15/mo, on top of people spending money on tokens, mounts, etc. It’s not like there isn’t money going into the game. Hell they could pay 2 guys to deal with it. One to listen and talk with the community, test out stuff, and ya know, communicate. And one to go through the bits of data, tune some numbers, and Bam!
And listen, I know that makes it sound easy and that in reality it would take time, but it quite literally could be two guys and over time be fixed. Especially with how easy they claim their stuff is to edit.
(Some stuff like editing/adding/changing quest item rewards and stat block WOULD take a loooong time, and a small team. But I expect more from a big company like blizzard.)
I ask you though. How is it (other than balance stuff on blizzard end) that much different than high end PvP players (glad) going against regular players deciding to PvP, at Max level.
You’ve got pvpers in like full 415 gear, that can smash fresh toons who choose to queue (people who don’t give a flying f about any gear other than their heirlooms queueing), you’ve got middle of the the pack guys ~iLvl 375-380 (some heirloom enchants and dungeon gear), and High end players 400+(twinks enchants, farmed BiS pieces, using consumables).
Like balancing issues for classes is on blizzard Imo. But to be fair, look at how good and how long blood dk was for m+ (still fantastic) before any changes were made. And that is current content.
My frustrations isn’t with people saying it was an overwhelming issue. In some cases I think it’s on player who choose to queue level 10 without even fully equipped gear. I remember seeing level 10 would get you one shot by level 19s on the level difference alone. In some cases I think it’s poor balancing on blizzard and we both know they make enough money to offer better solutions. Hell, they nerfed some big offenders even like elemental force weapon enchant (fatanstic for leveling AND PvP btw!) as well as SOME gear changes like wf/TF quest drops, and better dungeon loot - this is partial though because the stat blocks the gear pulls from is garbage for quests. Maybe one secondary, which is strictly worse stat wise than boa or dungeon gear. (As another note, I’d love to see questing become more enticing for leveling than dungeons, seeing as it is a 100% intended way to play the game where I feel like dungeon spamming shouldn’t be).
Put DR on stats, or buff low ilvl too stats. There are other solutions than splitting players.
Well, for starters you’re drastically understating just how powerful twinks are.
Heirloomed characters are typically only slightly more powerful than someone in questing greens/blues and that’s usually just because Heirloomed characters usually have a few cheap enchants.
Twinks on the other hand can take on multiple non twink characters and usually win rather easily unless one of them is a fire mage with greater pyroblast.
The major reason Max level pvp is different than the lower brackets though is intent. At max level you’re expected to stay there and grind out gear as you slowly get better at your class, it’s designed for that.
Lower level brackets however are intended for people who are leveling up. You’re not intended to stay at that level with the best gear you can get.
Some people however enjoy staying at that level so blizzard made the twink only que and EXP off for those people so they dont ruin the enjoyment of those who want to pvp as they level.
What happens if someone without BFA goes to 110 and gears up as much as possible in Legion, do they still get rolled with 119’s in BFA gear or does the scaling with maxed Legion gear outdo them? I know you wouldn’t have azerite gear though I’m guessing that’s a major loss.
Assuming you even got into the xpon bracket. If you can’t gain exp from not owning BFA it might put you in the xpoff.
If “twinks are one of the only thing keeping low level BGs alive” then you really shouldn’t have an issue with only being sorted into BGs against other twinks.
But… we all know that’s not the case. You just want to pick on easy to kill people who can’t fight back or have a chance of winning. You just want ezmode without having to fight others of your own relative strength to actually have to have skill to win.
Spinning twinks off into their own queues was a success before.
I find this interesting. How is your community under attack? Being given your own space to play in should be considered a good thing.
You get to compare yourselves with each other, and people that are just doing a bg here and there to break up quest monotony get to square off against others in a similar situation without facing off against someone that can farm their whole team solo.
RP’ers don’t complain that they aren’t allowed to enforce the RP rules on non-RP realms…it feels similar to me.
I have yet to read the large thread bad me, but can twinks not just put on heirlooms and have their goodies in a back pack to put on after they get into a battle? Sorry little xp with pvp which I do not like and suck at, need a jump up jump up jump around macro or something… bunch of jumping beans.
Except RP’ers get to do just that, play the game and RP. Go ahead turn xp off in the 79 bracket and enjoy staring at a 5 hour que that never procs. Hard to “compare yourself” when you don’t get to play period.
What Ilvl would the people that arent lazy and actually get gear need to have in each bracket for the lazy people who refuse to gear to be happy? A bracket by bracket chart would be nice. Please do not act like you don’t have time for a simple chart because most of you have hundreds of anti-twink posts in the last few months. I don’t live in your world where lvl 40s que for bg with white gear and empty slots. so, im begging the lazy rarely queing for pvp anti-twinks to set the ilvl rules for their ideal bracket.
The long que times for LFR and LFG are because of the lack of tanks most of the time. The long que times for BGs were mostly Horde side because there are so many more Horde queing than Alliance.
My logic? They ques were long because they didn’t have enough people queing up. Just how does that support your assertion that Twinks are a large percentage of the player base.
Because they can’t admit they love being the big bad bullies who have 0 self esteem so they make themselves feel better by beating weaker people. They don’t realize they bring others suffering, in this case drive away new people by scaring them with being 1 shot. Gotta love when bullies cry.
This. I will keep saying in every twink post the same.
Any twinker that claims they don’t twink just so they can gank, grief, or cowardly win by overpowering is lying. There is literally no other purpose to twinking, other than be overpowering against others.
Yes, if I was new and was a serious PVP player instead of casual, and I got 1 shot I’d be out of WoW PVP forever as it would make me think “Omg another pay to win mmo with one shotting in PVP!”. This is the impression the poor souls got.
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