Twinks are now just leaving BGs early

[Sweetleef-tichondrius (Sweetleef)]

LMAO this post is pathetic

[Lucritius-wyrmrest-accord]

It is certainly not reasonable to expect players who don’t shut their experience off to be able to accomplish the same.

An xp-on player will not farm for gear that will become useless in days’, sometimes hours’ time. That’s not lazy, it’s legitimate.

I agree with the general premise of what you’ve said. I don’t feel the generalization of xp-on players not being willing to, “will not farm”, for gear is a wise one to make, but I think I understand where you’re coming from.

I’ve never called people who are leveling lazy and I won’t ever do it. After leveling through BfA and grinding all the rep I can say it’s not something I care to do again. I respect the people who are able to do so. Perhaps I could be considered “lazy” by that group of people, who knows? I would certainly prefer to spend my gaming time doing other things. In the end it’s a matter of different priorities; the xp-off player is prioritizing getting BiS gear at a given level and works toward that goal. I assume xp-on players have prioritized leveling, or at least have it as a goal, and are working toward that. Both groups of players are investing their game time into achieving a goal they’ve set, i.e. working toward something.

Regards,
Vendorioc/Lucritius/Zinjud

[Weap-hakkar]

The difference, functional or otherwise, is that it is reasonable to expect xp-off players to have excellent gear, because they can farm for it at their leisure without risk of leveling out of their bracket, effectively bricking the gear. It is certainly not reasonable to expect players who don’t shut their experience off to be able to accomplish the same.

If the gear isn’t worth farming because it will be worthless in a few hours/days, then why are twinks a big deal to that person anyway? They’ll just level past them in a few hours/days and then they’ll have better gear.

These types of arguments are weak, and they are bullcrap excuses.

[Weap-hakkar]

“I’m leveling, PvP isn’t important enough to me to get gear because it will be useless soon”.

“OMG, REMOVE ANYONE WHO HAS BETTER GEAR THAN ME IN PVP WHILE LEVELING, PEOPLE ARE QUITTING BECAUSE OF IT!”

It just doesn’t make sense. Is PvP that important to you or isn’t it? Got people talking out both sides of their mouth.

[Weap-hakkar]

Also I’m pretty sure they’ve done other stuff besides the seperate queues.

I’ve been trying to get a game on my level 18 warlock for days and the BG popped once a few days ago. Average battletime is claims is like 12-14 minutes, I’ll wait 30-45 minutes before giving up.

It’s not locked, but it also doesn’t want to give me a battleground. Apparently my gear is too good or something, I wish they would let me know exactly how crappy they expect my gear to be before I’m allowed to PVP.

I have just heirloom gear and a few enchants. Not even good enchants on most of them, except for my necklace which has a satyr on it.

My wife logs into her account with a level 12, only in heirloom and no enchants - gets a battle in 6 minutes.

At any rate, 1 battle in 4 days ain’t keeping my business. It’s too bad they didn’t put this “upgrade” out a few days earlier, I would have just been a 1 month and done account.

[Erelir-bleeding-hollow (Erelir)]

They’ll just level past them in a few hours/days and then they’ll have better gear.

Yes. They’ll level out of bracket x, where twinks are present, into bracket y, where twinks are also present. This isn’t a difficult concept.

RE Your other messy ramblings: Brackets aren’t segregated by gear, they’re separated according to whether or not the player has elected to shut off his experience gain. All this isn’t doing your credibility any favors.

At any rate, 1 battle in 4 days ain’t keeping my business.

Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. See you next patch.

[Roran-stormrage (Roran)]

While this sucks that’s still too easy to abuse they need to just nurf twinking till it pointless again.

[Jadei-shadowsong (Jadei)]

just nurf thinking till it pointless again.

That should fix it.

Played a few on my 20s leveler tonight. Players still don’t defend. They still don’t call incoming. Some games are total blowouts. Healers top damage. Class stacking happens (BfG with 5 rogues and 3 warriors). And in one game, a mage actually left before it ended to avoid the bonus honor, but the game was already won by they time they left so it made no difference.

[Roran-stormrage (Roran)]

Oof

I’m surprised I missed that typo, last time I’m on the forums drunk.

Played a few on my 20s leveler tonight. Players still don’t defend. They still don’t call incoming. Some games are total blowouts. Healers top damage. Class stacking happens (BfG with 5 rogues and 3 warriors). And in one game, a mage actually left before it ended to avoid the bonus honor, but the game was already won by they time they left so it made no difference.

It’s the same even in the higher levels, twinks don’t fix this issue as most (not all) will just kill people mid the whole game while ignoring objectives. Low level PvP is so broken even without the Twinks. Healer damage like you said is out of control, my Shaman can top damage with just the fire dot.

I really hope Blizzard balances things a tad so some specs are not so OP in the lower levels while others can’t compete.

[Floyln-tichondrius (Floyln)]

Blizzard plans to ignore low level PvP balance just like they have for 14 years. Removing twinks fixes nothing.

[Oäk-bloodhoof (Oäk)]

Yep the cycle still continues

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

I must have been lucky to not get these twinks who ignored objectives.

[Abervdeen-malfurion]

It does not change at 120.

[Abervdeen-malfurion]

There will always be classes OP at low level. Why do you think twinks rush to FOTM. It’s the thrill of domination.

[Jadei-shadowsong (Jadei)]

What part of my reply said it did?

I’ve seen it said that since separation, games are players doing objectives, no emoting or flags (saw a flag planted in one of my first games after separation), no gy camping and games are even. That has not been my experience playing 3 different brackets. Games feel the same.

[Killshotjr-aegwynn]

They are the same.

[Weap-hakkar]

Yes. They’ll level out of bracket x, where twinks are present, into bracket y, where twinks are also present. This isn’t a difficult concept.

RE Your other messy ramblings: Brackets aren’t segregated by gear, they’re separated according to whether or not the player has elected to shut off his experience gain. All this isn’t doing your credibility any favors.

Ok, so what you are saying is there is a point at which they are no longer leveling so fast and they should probably spend more effort getting gear?

Can’t really have it both ways. Besides, you don’t have to have the best gear available in every slot to be competitive. If you actually did BG’s alot and used that gear, it’s very competitive. If they wanted an actual reasonable fix, they should just increase the BG reward rate to match the leveling rate increase.

And it’s not as if every game results in lopsided victories. And I can tell you that having competitive gear doesn’t stop you from getting farmed either, EVERYONE gets farmed from time to time if you are doing PUGs. If you have low gear just stick with the zerg.

Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. See you next patch.

I hope the next patch is soon or their won’t be any worries on the rest. I’ve been back for 2 months, went from pretty happy and spending money to not happy at all. Even my wife is complaining now about not getting BG’s for long periods of time, and she wouldn’t even know what enchants to buy and just has heirloom gear.

I don’t see how anyone who actually plays for the PvP and not easy XP can be happy about the changes.

[Nawat-emerald-dream (Nawat)]

I don’t see how anyone who actually plays for the PvP and not easy XP can be happy about the changes.

That’s exactly how I play and I’m extremely happy about the changes. Skill>gear as it should be in PvP.

[Frokkenfunk-dalaran]

Queues have been great np here.

[Jugajr-emerald-dream (Jugajr)]

Skill > gear will never be a thing at low levels. Considering max level randoms aren’t even balanced