During the Fated season I was able to spend those bullions on transmog weapons.
They should just make tokens drop and set up a full time vendor.
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I managed to buy all 24 pages of the cosmetics from the one vendor before the season ended and as much as I could from the other 3 vendors that actually gave weapons before end of the season. Still have some Bullion on my characters that couldn’t purchase anything because the 3 vendors required 2 bullion each.
This argument comes up a lot and there has been many previous posts on this subject about if you’re in the raid and people stating “Trans mog is forever”, and they deserve if present at the kill to roll need on things even if they don’t need it. The “Need before Greed” system never was designed for “Trans mog” in mind.
Blizzard fumbled the ball when it comes to this because players that hunt for every possible cosmetic of an item found out that trans mog roll loses to need automatically so in order to get that they started rolling need. As discussed, many times, trans mog either needs to give an appearance only if a person wins or as this poster said a token you can use to buy an appearance. Most players who say it has different stats then the item they already have that is better mostly lie. You’re not going to take an Adventurer, Explorer, Veteran piece over a Champion, Hero or Mythic piece.
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Yeah but somebody is going to do it. Better to have what I want than trying to change the behavior of everyone else. Hopefully Blizz will come up with a fair solution. I like the idea of everyone that roll Transmog gets the appearance unlocked but let the actual item go to someone that needs it for MS/OS.
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What is THAT
Attributes shmattributes.
I’ve seen people who have an item in that slot so high that secondaries aren’t worth it. They do it to trade off the gear.
I rolled for a cloth mog on my Dracthyr in a Normal Nerub-ar raid just last night and got the appearance no problem.
So it works just fine. Transmog roll is just a higher priority Greed roll that you win if nobody else got the loot.
- Group Loot now has a Transmogrification option that replaces Greed if the player has not collected the appearance. Transmog rolls take priority over Greed rolls.
Source
The appearances are attached to the physical piece so you can’t win it from a Transmog roll if somebody wins a Need roll. When I won the Transmog roll I also got the actual cloth piece added to my bag.
Why you can’t just get the appearance when rolliing Transmog for it even if the other person has won it? Hell if I know but because this is the way the system is right now, it’s still the fault of not only Blizzard but the player for exploiting the obvious 
design.
This still makes you a jerk regardless for denying somebody else an upgrade item they actually need simply because you only wanted an appearance.
Taking something with functionality away from somebody else just for aesthetic appeal. And you’re the type of people to complain how “self-centered” this community is or accuse others for being so.
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- I agree that Need should come before Transmog
- I have previously argued that rolling Need for a Transmog is not what was intended, because you cannot Need an item that you could transmog but does not benefit the combat abilities of your character
- Everyone who wants the Transmog rolls Need anyways
- I disagree that Transmog usurps Need because “Transmog is the true endgame” since Need gets you the item to use in combat AND the transmog
- Blizzard messed this up and continues to stay silent and people get mad and make threads weekly about it
So, yes, winning a transmog roll should get you the transmog in addition to whoever wins the need roll getting the item. However, people will continue to roll Need for the transmog, so there needs to be an additional step of not allowing Need unless it’s a statistical combat improvement for that roller (with exceptions for on use/equip functionality, since those can be difficult to calculate).
Conclusion: It doesn’t matter, because this has been ignored by Blizzard for the past N years (I forget how long it’s been). They don’t even have the gumption to come out and say “Yea, rolling Need for a Transmog was not what was intended”
Agreed. Something I’ve argued multiple times in the past.
If it’s just about the transmog, and we have a compendium of items we do not have unlocked, why not allow folks to roll “transmog” on an item and simply unlock the fashion in our collection. This way, you could even let more than one person win. Imagine that, a win/win(/win) scenario.
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If it worked just fine, people wouldn’t be rolling need. It’s extremely rare to ever get a transmog roll.
Don’t spout the system to me as if I don’t know how it works. It just makes you look condescending.
And don’t belittle others and insult them for using the system the way it works. The system rules allow them to roll need. So they will roll need.
Claiming “Blizzard can’t do that” is also nonsensical. They can absolutely create a cosmetic only and have the need roll be the actual gear piece.
And if people are raging over LFR gear like you… then it’s your own fault for wasting time on useless gear when you get better from so many other places. I’m not the one rolling need for transmog, so you don’t get to come at me with your drama and insults.
Don’t preach to me, kiddo. I’ve been here way longer than you, seen way more than you and understand way better than you.
I am not engaging you further. Do not bring your constant drama to me ever again.
So now you’re playing the victim about denying people needed upgrades because you want aesthetic appeal. And you’re blaming the system because it’s definitely what is “forcing your hand” to roll Need.
You’re allowed to roll Need because it’s your own class’ armor, do you see that you’re able to roll need on any other piece that isn’t for your class? No, it strictly tells you you can’t but you can still roll for Transmog.
So basically what you’re saying is you have zero control over your own actions because it’s the system’s fault for “allowing it to be done”. Do you challenge law too because your physical actions in spite of their placement can still go through the motions of stealing something?
How condescending of you.
You always act so targeted by me when the last time I engaged you was over a month ago:
And it’s because your post came off condescending. Why don’t you just add me to your ignore list already.
We all are. You just believe you’re more entitled to something than someone else because your motive for obtaining it is different.
Needing for Mog is the way to get the mog, unless you want to wait years to be able to get it solo. Game’s designed poorly in this regard, and OP is making a pretty solid argument as to why the design needs to be changed. If you think ilvl is more deserving of gear, you should be in their corner here.
Otherwise, people are gonna snag the xmog they want, because nobody else cares about your ilvl.
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Did you also argue that people in PL raids should have been forced to give up their loot to others who needed upgrades?
(Just curious as that’s the same argument you seem to be making here)
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I don’t remember arguing that but Personal Loot is very different from Group Loot and we’re talking about two very different systems.
What drops as Personal Loot is Personal Loot, it’s right there in the name. Group Loot is shared among your peers, it’s labelled Group for a reason.
Honestly, I really think if you complete a tier set of let’s say heroic raid level. The game should have a vendor that allows you with some earned game currency to buy the set for the other lower raid difficulty sets. Yes, even if you complete the set first in Mythic. You’re just buying a MoG nothing of power gain. This rolling for MoG in LFR will almost never complete a set. Not unless it is your endgame progression. In which case Delves rewards might lock you out of rolling need depending on your level of progression.
Part of me misses personal loot.
Outside of the naming semantics, both drop loot that someone wins and someone loses. How can one person be more deserving of loot under one system than the other, given that both are random chance?
The primary difference between the two is that GL requires you to press roll every time and PL will automatically roll for every drop just for being there.
For appearances z that’d be cool. And it’s be nice to keep the final style system every season too
I’m so glad PL is gone. I can actually win useful stuff like shields, trinkets, and weapons instead of just the same cloak and rings every boss.
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We’re talking about the value obtained. If you deem your aesthetic wants higher than the needed upgrades for your teammates then you have only yourself to blame for the way people would look at you afterward.
You said it yourself, PL did the roll for you, you had no choice but to obtain it or not. If I’m whispered for the loot and it’s useless to me, I give it.
“Anyone need -insert item dropped-” is also a thing I see often in chat for PL in LFR and dungeons.
With GL you actually have to choose your own roll for it. So instead of the system making you choose, you choose for yourself. Thus rolling Need for a Transmog is a conscious decision you make. Not the system.
If you’re rolling Transmog and never getting the item, it’s because someone in the group rolled Need and actually needed it. Or, alternatively, it’s because like you people are rolling Need for Transmogs so your mucking it up for yourselves as well.
Should you get the appearance of items for rolling Transmog even if somebody else gets the loot? Yes I don’t know why this wasn’t Blizzard’s first thing in mind, but that’s not what’s happening now, so until it is you’re making yourself appear like a jerk to those of us who make proper use of the system with group members in mind.
If I roll Transmog and don’t get it, it’s because someone else needed it. Or, annoyingly enough, it’s people rolling Need just for a look.
It’s only been 1 week into the season, everybody’s gearing up, so Transmog rolls are obviously not going to have high chances until later in the Season. Can’t there be some semblance of patience?
First let me ask, has something changed in the forums. At the end of the last post, it looks different in how the views likes link and users look like there was a font change.
I have and will continue to use the system no matter if it means I will never win a roll. Below is my mentality.
- Greed - I only select this if it is a crafting pattern for one of my characters that I didn’t get a chance to roll need on because I ran the wrong character when it dropped.
- Need - If it is an upgrade to my character that I am playing, wither main specialization or off-specialization. If someone messages me afterward that they really can use it over me, I’ll more than likely pass it along and let the raid know as I congratulate them. Crafting Patterns I won’t trade away if I win one. I craft for free to people that need items.
- Pass - Just because I was present in a raid, doesn’t mean I should roll greed, need or trans mog. I click this option a lot because honestly, I’m just there to have fun.
- Trans mog - I’ve always clicked trans mog even though I knew it was a guaranteed loss. I have won a few times, but since War Bands now I find I win more using trans mog selection.
Hate me, like me, doesn’t matter. I want to have fun and help people as much as I can in game.
I have always felt that a higher version of an item should unlock the appearance of the lower version. He is right that the game allows you to roll need in these situations most of the time anyway.
I feel like if you are going to make it so you get transmog without getting the item they should just unlock all transmog on boss kill.
I mean I can tell you right now I’m needing on anything that drops regardless if it’s an upgrade or not and I don’t even care about tmog. It’s available to me I’m going to need on it.