I’d die of alcohol poisoning.
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There’s a problem with your definition about visual class differentiation there.
Evokers are the class, Dracthyr are the race. Visage forms are an inherent part of the race itself. Playing in a Visage form doesn’t detract from the fantasy at all, nor does it make it confusing to tell what class someone is – if that was the case, then why on earth would someone like Fyrakk fight us in his visage form? People notice the big flashy abilities more than the player model a lot of the time, at least when in larger-scale groups. Food for thought.
I think, ultimately, people push against each other’s opinions because Blizzard is less likely is make change if there’s more people appearing on the fence about something. I’m pretty certain that more people want more options than not though, that’s typical.
I don’t see anything wrong with Dracthyr having more options for transmog and their Visage forms at all. People like customizations, I don’t think that’s hard to grasp at all.
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Blizzards way not mine.
It has impacts on the lore and class uniqueness. So yes it does impact others outside the player. There are a million other specs to be played without a dragon form. Play one of those if you don’t like it that much. Or use some of the in game solutions already available to you.
You’re welcome to play it, just not change it. That’s not gatekeeping lmao. I invite you and everyone else to play evoker and enjoy it, but if you can’t enjoy the visuals that’s not really my issue, nor is it “gatekeeping”
Even the aspects don’t fight in visage outside extremely basic spells. With ours being described as lesser and imperfect why would we be able to do that? The tooltip literally says visage is just to calm nerves of allies which is why it provides passive regen bonus
What are you saying here 
I’m too big dumb to understand ;(
I would love more Tmog and visage options, just not visage in combat bc it doesn’t fit the lore of it.
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I understand what you’re saying, but there isn’t any lore indicating that dragonkind can’t use their magics in visage forms. The aspects have done it numerous times, as have many non-aspect NPCs. A visage form in and of itself is part of their magic. And, similarly, dragonkind have been seen wearing armor plenty of times. There isn’t really a legitimate reason that Dracthyr can’t thematically use transmog - it’s just Blizzard being very stuck in their ways about an idea for a race’s visuals.
I don’t think it’s constructive to simply accept what Blizzard says “regardless of our opinion on it” – that’s what this discussion is all about. There’s plenty of people that are trying to push for change here.
Also, I don’t think people are asking for visual ability changes, but even if they were I wouldn’t say there’s anything wrong with that necessarily – but they’d need to make it make sense. I don’t think necromantic abilities would make sense for a Paladin for instance, but I think having more fiery effects would be interesting and still fit in the general theme of the class. Look no further than Tauren Sunwalkers, Dark Iron Paladins, or Hallowfall Paladins. I’m not opposed to more drastic class skins, but I’m not going to pretend that I know of a way to go about it that wouldn’t just confuse people.
Also, responding to your more recent post above this one, there’s been various times dragons have fought in visage forms. Fyrakk, for instance. It’s also very likely happened in books as well, but I don’t know for certain.
We can push for change if we want. People were allowed to push for Warlock and Druid changes, I don’t see how this is any different. Playing in visage form all the time is akin to playing in the astral form for Boomies. There’s nothing wrong with it.
Evoker only exists in Dracthyr so no there are not “million” other classes that have this unique style of play. Also, again with the weak lore defense, as if there already isn’t major lore breaking items in the game.
Not wanting other people to play the class the way they want to in a purely transmog perspective because of your own opinion of a visual style is the definition of gatekeeping.
Again, keep your personal choices to yourself and let others play the way they want. It’s Blizzard’s choice but people are clearly asking for it.
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Legitimately, the primary reason that Evokers (in combat) are stuck in their Dracthyr form is due to animations. Blizzard says it’s because they’re using dragon abilities (or something along those lines), but what they’re really saying is that they just don’t want to dedicate the time to creating animations for other races.
It’s primarily for the breath weapon attacks and the flying animations. All of those could be done for other races, where the flying (specifically Hover) could be a type of levitation and the breath attacks are fairly self-explanatory.
I think it would be nice if they made the extra animations so that Evoker visage forms could stay in combat, even if it’s not something I personally care about quite as much. I don’t see them doing it for other races aside from the female human and male blood elf rigs though, but it would be neat.
The big things for me are transmog for Dracthyr as a race. After seeing what other people have said in this thread, I do agree that it’d be nice if both Visage forms and Dracthyr had separate access to transmog, so that you could effectively have one look for each if desired. But, if that doesn’t work, there’s always just swapping transmog the same way everyone does.
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It’s stated we have lesser and imperfect visages, while yes aspects use some basic magic in combat, any “real” combat is done in their dragon forms.
I agree, as I have always said, dracthyr should have full transmog and better barbershop colorations and armor choices. I would love to pick the specific RGB values of secondary and primary colors for armor.
I was going to bring up this example as well. They didn’t “fight fyraak” that was us. They channeled magic, but more or less they were spectators to us as we are the heroes. Now I personally hate having such main character energy but that is the way it is.
At the end of the day I guess the reality is that right now it’s not allowed and each person has to decide if it’s a “sacrifice” or not to play dracthyr. Or if it’s worth it to use the many toys and glamours available.
Okay then make the sacrifice and play as a dracthyr? Or don’t and play one of the other casters. Right now all evokers are dracthyr.
I want them to play, but they have to play the class the way it is? I don’t go playing unholy dk because I don’t like necromancy and think it’s too edgy, so rather than trying to change it I just don’t play it.
It is blizzards choice and blizzard said no. But blizzard has also provided toys and glamours to use instead. All of which work just fine. Why not use those.
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No, I mean Fyrakk himself. Not the aspects. Not everything is always about the aspects when it comes to visage forms lmao.
I think the implication of their visage forms being weaker moreso has to do with their appearance. True dragons are able to change their form as they please - we’ve seen this multiple times. We seem them use specific visages because that’s what they prefer to use, but we’ve seen that they can shapeshift into other forms if they so desire. I think the implication is that Dracthyr are unable to choose a specific form or race, rather than what I described with true dragons.
Also, about combat in visage forms, Blizzard’s already confirmed that they’ll be usable in combat with the other classes at least. So, where’s the implication that they’re unfit for combat?
Regardless, a lot of that’s just lore talk. Customizations and gameplay shouldn’t be held back by lore imo. And in this case, there isn’t even any hard, concrete lore suggesting that XYZ isn’t possible with Dracthyr. The only thing I can think of is Death Knights and Demon Hunters, but that is not AT ALL what this discussion for this thread has been about.
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He used his axe and minor magic when in his “visage form” idk what it’s called for his species imma be honest. But when he gets serious and starts using breath attacks and wings and what not he goes into dragon form. Seems to fit fine and follow similar rules.
Using your fist to swing a sword or dagger doesn’t require dragon magic? So I mean that’s where the implication is?
That’s a fair enough point of view I guess. But it’s an rpg in a set universe with the rules of the universe. I mean maybe if there is some major lore event that could happen or something
What does “minor magic” even mean? Compared to Dracthyr and the majority of other mortals his capabilities would far surpass “minor magic” I think. I feel like a lot of this is based more on personal opinion and interpretation, rather than an actual concrete lore fact put in place by Blizzard.
Also, you actually can use Evoker magic in your visage form. It’s specific abilities (and the in-combat mechanic iirc) that cause you to shift into your true Dracthyr form, and most of them are breath weapon attacks. All healing spells and even a few combat abilities can be used in the visage form. So, again, where’s the implication that they’re unfit for combat?
Regardless though, again, that’s vague lore talk. We’re kinda getting away from the original purpose of the thread. I just hope Blizzard actually listens to the players’ feedback about Dracthyr.
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I fought this fight before! You are doing great! I believe in you. The arguments against visage in combat are always flimsy appeals to lore, but it always comes down to “I don’t wanna see it, so you can’t have it!” It’s one step below complaining about someone’s mog.
Sure, it doesn’t make sense from a realistic perspective to tank in board shorts, but anyone can. Because magic. But using magic to fight as a human when you are a dragon? Now thats just crazy talk. As crazy as expecting fun in a video game.
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i genuinely don’t understand people who bleat about class fantasy when my dorfadin is healing the party dressed as sailor moon. the hearts really bring out the highlights in his beard. somehow other dwarves and paladins manage to endure.
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I am sure if they thought they could dictate your tmog, they would in a heart beat. And probably dress you in the most boring, generic “lore appropriate” outfit they could muster. Specifically chosen to complement their main character status.
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Customer A walks into pizza shop. “They have a unique pizza taste here, but I wish they had something other than pizza, maybe calzone or meatball subs.”
Mord: “No! This is a pizza shop, only pizza should be sold here!”
Customer A: “Why do you care what they have here, just eat your pizza”
Mord: “Because this is called a pizza shop, and should only serve pizza, and I don’t want to see other people eating calzones when I eat my pizza!”
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Personally, I don’t see helmets mattering that much. Yeah some of them absolutely will look goofy, but ask any worgen or tauren player and they’ll tell you they’re well used to that. Basically any non-human/elf race will sometimes have transmog pieces that look a little silly. The solution to that is just… if it bothers you don’t use that transmog? I see no reason why dracthyr shouldn’t have helms otherwise, plenty of them would look fine.
Similarly I’m on the fence about back pieces too. Most capes would clip with the wings pretty bad for sure, but some of the shorter ones wouldn’t and there are non-cape back pieces that also wouldn’t clip (for example the quiver/ammo pouch from last month’s trading post). It’d be nice to be able to use those, though at the very least I’d understand not allowing back transmog given its like… 95% capes that would clip badly.
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It’s an Italian pizza shop, the pizza shop and current customers all do not like pineapple on pizza. You come in trying to demand pineapple on pizza. Gets mad and shocked when they refuse.
Like come on dude there are options in game stop trying to change the class
At the end of the day blizzard said no? Why not just get over it at this point. They have provided you with alternative classes and toys to fix the problem. So use those it’s literally not hard.
Nothing wrong with voicing a change you want to see in the game. As you said, it’s ultimately up to Blizz but I don’t see why anyone else should have a problem with asking. At the end of the day, it’s not lore that stops them, it’s resources and money vs return on the investment. If enough people provide feedback, it could sway them to put it in the game.
You mean besides the annoyance of having the same few people create the same few threads every day despite blizzards directly giving an answer?
Or asking for the removal of class identity isn’t harmful? especially when there are again already in game tools just for this purpose that you all seem to not want to use?
Ah, yes. The classic “just play a different class” solution. The thing is all classes, heck, all specs in this game are pretty unique experiences and you really can’t just swap one freely with another. And this might surprise you, but from a gameplay perspective, I and other people LIKE the CLASS. I ENJOY the playstyle and I can’t get it on another class. Evoker isn’t the issue here. It is, and always has been Dracthyr that some people are taking an issue with. It’s like wanting to play druid, but not wanting to play Night elf or Tauren. Then blizzard comes along and adds Worgen and Troll druids. Hey, guess what? People that enjoy playing Night Elf druids. They still play Night Elf druids! Their preferred option didn’t disappear, and everyone else got another choice.
And trust me, yes I use gleeful glamours on cd. Did you know that they have 120 min cooldown on a 20-60 duration? Absurd.
If you don’t ask, don’t be surprised when change never happens. If you want something, you got to make your voice heard.
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You’re absolutely right, I see you. It’s like how there are a lot of hats look silly on the humanoid models because it makes them bald. I just don’t use those, and move on. On my Tauren when a helmet looks silly, I just don’t use it and transmog something else. Same deal. And hey, sometimes the helm I think looks silly, its another tauren player’s jam. Not having the option at all is definitely worse, you’re right.
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