…Do you have to claim to be better than somebody else for it to be toxic? No.
I don’t think a guild needs to necessarily be harsh and toxic to do well either. I’ve found a good, promising guild to raid with and I haven’t gotten the impression that they will be like that.
Also I’m a liberal and don’t mind jokes. xD
You’re just butthurt that I’m not offended that you called me out for being a [male anatomical feature that’s on the forum naughty filter]. Unfortunately, I’m not, because it’s true.
You’re clearly offended, just look at this post. Mashing away at your keyboard like I care. You were being toxic and you got called out for your hypocrisy. It’s as simple as that.
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Depends on the situation. Lets say you’re the guild leader and you say “mages need to arcane/frost for molten core. Everyone needs to be specced properly for raid night.”
Raid time comes… “Alright all mages cast arcane power to show us.” Mage tells you hes fire for pvp and he doesn’t have to respec to cast frostbolt. This guy is blatantly not listening, doesn’t care about his damage, and hes selfish because all the other mages are doing it to help the guild be successful. What do you do?
Kick the mage from the raid?
Deny the mage loot?
Scold the mage and tell him he better next time?
Forget about it?
Little Darkmoon faire buff there for you.
The thing is, none of these are toxic. If that mage isn’t a team player but everybody else is taking progression more seriously than he is, it isn’t toxic to not bring him along or not give him the same priority for loot as the others who are clearly team-motivated and on the same page.
Toxic would, in my opinion, be tearing him down and being a straight up jerk to him, threatening to have him ruined, he’ll never raid on this server again you hear me NEVER REEEEEE
But there’s absolutely nothing wrong with telling somebody “hey, sorry buddy, but this isn’t working out” when it clearly isn’t.
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Eh, that’s a unique situation because fire mages literally cannot function in Molten Core. I would say that he really needs to be arcane/frost but that I’d be open to have him as fire once we’re past that.
I speak as someone who plans to main a warlock. The class leader in my guild wants the warlocks to be DS/Ruin but I’ve expressed an explicit desire to be SM/Ruin instead (for flavor reasons, I want to be a master of darkness as opposed to just an angrier fire mage xD). A toxic guild would be “hell no gfto respec or no raid invite”, whereas this guild instead has considered it and is going to likely let me.
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Even if they decide not to, that doesn’t necessarily make them toxic in my opinion. Rather, how they choose to go about informing you that this isn’t going to work out is what makes the difference.
Except that SM/Ruin is still a powerful contributor in Molten Core. The fire mage example was a very specific and probably the only truly bad one.
A guild can have structure but we’re all people, and for the most part I’d hope that folks would be respectful to others and their desires to have fun in the game.
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My point is that the term ‘toxic’ is up to the players. A serious guild isn’t going to tolerate that sort of thing and to a casual player its going to seem toxic.
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People are going to want Classic barrens chat to be what they remember - an unmoderated free-for-all. Imagine that, except it’s been festering in a corner for 13-15 years and pickled in Twitch chat.
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“Toxicity” is a buzzword in which its definition is different from one person to another. Basically OP is trying to bring that “walking on eggshells” mentality to Classic. Sad…
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Well, that depends. Are you just starting Molten Core, or are you working on Garr? Because that matters. Up to that point, there’s no fire immunity except for the elementals.
And then why are we requiring arcane/frost for molten core? Yeah, it’s higher DPS, but it’s also a pain because at that level people are typically still questing, grinding rep, farming, doing 5 mans… It’s a safe bet that even though Arcane is higher DPS, most mages are going to still be in a shatter build well into BWL. But oh no, the damage isn’t as high… except that a shatter build is pretty priceless for adds on Rag and Ony, and Nef, and Razergore, and Nef, so it DOES still have a place when you’re raiding T1 and T2.
I’m all about playing min/max, but you gotta be smart about it. The first two raids are so badly designed that it’s just not smart in a lot of cases. It doesn’t really pick up until you go into AQ or ZG. THEN you need to spec for your highest damage (which is going to be fire).
So if I was that raid leader, I’d want to get better.
The Onyxia “More Dots” thing just entered my mind while reading your comment.
“That is a 50 dkp…MINUS” 
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Had a guy on my old retail server who looted the Onyxia mount in a run and he sold it to someone in his party who offered him 210k gold for it( which was hefty sum then). The story hit trade and he was publicy shunned and name called until he left the server. No I did not take part in it. Now put that in the context of some of the stuff said in trade in the current game and yeah… it’s going to get a lot of people in hot water with the community on most servers.
People keep saying, most things aren’t toxic, it’s just people speaking their mind, yeah that’s ok, here’s the big difference between non, and extremely toxic, playing the demo, in durotar chat people saying every racist slang in the book for no reason, then a group of 3 people running around and training trolls on on people, and watching them die, then laughing and saying classic sucks… there is this thing where retailers are gonna do this on purpose for the first few weeks trying to ruin the classic community, hopefully every server community will shut this down immediately, people like that def need to be blackballed, and trust me if your acting like that and training on people we can EASILY get 500 people to report you and get your account banned.
They are. Anything M+ at 7 key or above is more difficult than any 5-man dungeon in Vanilla. The dungeons in Vanilla are more engaging, hands down. I find Vanilla dungeons more fun, in general…but they’re not anywhere near as difficult as an M+ with three or more affixes. This is not to say that there aren’t some tough encounters in a some of the dungeons. There are. They just can’t compete with tyrannical, bursting, and necrotic (last week’s trio) on top of the normal mechanics.
Mythic plus is a challenge, and it is FUN. I feel sorry for the people who take one look at the timer, freak out, and never give it a shot. It’s the most difficult thing aside from mythic raids that WoW has ever offered.
Having said that…I agree with pretty much everything else Hvergelmir put in his post.
They’re bitter because they know Classic is going to overtake retail in popularity. They realize just how many people are going to swap over to the better version of the game (from 15 years ago yikes). I would be too if my game was a shallow RNG loot boxes microtransaction cosmetic game. That’s basically what retail is now.
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Yes they were. There was so much more chest thumping and putting down others for bad gear in original classic than in current retail.
The good part was that a toxic player was often left without any guild that would take them because word got around back in the day.
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