Well im glad at least me and you who different sides of the same we play wow coin could have a nice agreement and find a solution we would both be happy with. This is starting to turn into a us vs you thread now sadly though
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I don’t want you to take this as me trying to single you out you just brought up a point I think needs to be talked about. In my opinion if anyone is picking a covenant just because of the ability then blizzard messed up. We as players should pick them based entirely on they way they are presented when playing through the lvling zones. Was Venethar mean to me? Welp guess whos not getting help. Instead of Venethar was mean to me and I really don’t like them but they have the best ability for (insert x class here) so I guess I will go with them.
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I’d be okay with that. If The covenants just gave their general ability and all the combat ones were talents I think it’d be a great system. Sure the movement abilities would still probably take over in most situations. But having a full cleanse and a shield could be handy in certain situations. Especially if you’re not being held back by their garbage class ability.
The only glaring issue we would have then are soul binds. Some of those trees are just god awful. But it’d be cool if you could just bind with whomever like OP said. I think it was this OP, might have been another OP. All these threads blend together sometimes.
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Well they’ve messed up numerous times. Like waaay too many to fix before the release date. Some of the abilities are only good for a single spec and this is the expansion where they were supposed to make you “Play your class” I love it when their tag lines bite them in the rear.
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there are also multiple reports where somesoulbind trees combined with certain conduits are making that covenant ability overpowered. Like the ability wasn’t OP before but when it was discovered the combo with the conduit its rediculius.
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Those don’t mean much in being represented by a covenant.
Renown system leads to progression within your covenant which ties into the mogs that have already been mentioned. Soulbind progression doesn’t vary to any level of significance. You have more dailies split between the zones than that are covenant specific.
So what’s unique in what you’ve said?
Earning unique Covenant-themed cosmetic items such as mounts, pets, a title, back attachment transmog, and transmog armor
No that isn’t sufficient.
As sniffed proposed all they’d need to do is a visual change or something like it. That’d be all it takes.
Maybe I will be a Venthyr themed night fae rat thing. It’ll also tie into the covenants fighting together to defeat the jailer.
Oh I completely agree. If you go back and look at what they showed as example abilities at blizzcon when Shadow Lands was announced all the abilities showcased where movement abilities themed around the covenant in question. For some reason they changed that. I am lucking out personally. I wanted to be Necrolord from the moment they where revealed and there ability, both class and covenant, are really good for enh shaman but other class are not in the same boat as me where abilities match up with the players personal asthetic.
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soulbind is actually playing a huge part in the class and becoming another issue entirely. They havent released the ranked systems of conduits in the beta and already some soulbinds and conduits are becoming massive DPS/HPS gains.
Yeah, that astral projection ability the Necrolords had was way more flavorful than the boring, garbage shield they replaced it with. Honestly Necrolords got gimped so hard and I was looking forward to playing them the most. It sucks.
Differences in soulbinds between covenants though, or in general?
Or just be baked into classes to be used where they are intended to be used. The class abilities are related to the class, not in any way to the covenants, safe for a few exceptions maybe. Nobody would be complaining if their classes received 4 new abilities to use and this discussion wouldn’t even exist. I doubt anynone would make posts like #LockMyNewClassAbilitiesIntoCovenants
The covenant signature abilities can stay with covenants for all I care. They actually feel reflective of them and make some sense to be locked.
Imagine if they stuck to bringing back class fantasy over spec fantasy taht everybody was cheering for and put those 4 new abilities to be available for the entire class regardless of specs, maybe on a shared CD. Instead they doubled down on spec fantasy.
For instance, there is a soulbind in kyrian for holy paladins that will more than likely be required just by how much the healing benefit is. For a while nearly all the healers were going kyrian and using the same soulbind because the soulbind ability was 10-20% of our heals.
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But why do you keep ignoring the fact that for people who care more about the covenant representation, they could just take the matching ability and nothing at all is different for them from the current system?
I agree with you actually Bruhal. It is wrong that we have been split this way in the first place. It’s not a healthy thing but I guess that’s the gamble they’re taking.
The Necrolords have some garbage tier soulbinds. Especially when you put them up against the Venthyr or even the Night Fae.
My healer friend says the Kyrian have some really good healing soulbind effects. I don’t play healer so I can’t really judge them but of the three I know about and read the most about the Necrolord’s SBs are definitely the weakest.
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Honestly both. I mean Venethar get one that gives them a cheat death like every 8 minutes? Granted two others have it as well but Venethar is head and shoulders above. Night Fae turns you into a seed that can be killed and you loose the free rez and its on a 30 min cooldown and Necrolord kinda cheats death where your armor animates on death and you can control it but you do either 10% reduced damage or you do 10% of your normal damage, cant remember which off the top of my head and you still die after a minute or two.
Edit: Seed not sead
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I was asked that earlier already in the thread.
If you haven’t read that then I apologise but I don’t want to repeat myself.
I’m only anti the stupid hashtag.
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Ahh that’s fair. So we’re basically in for a balancing nightmare? 
I have never actually asked but always wondered, isn’t it a lot more meaningful to be loyal to a covenant by choice and free will, instead of by force and threats of negative consequences?