Fair enough. I just figured their ripcord statement implied they’d let it play out like that. Not saying I agree or disagree, your point is very fair. Was more or less just making a joke on the metaphor. Been hearing it a bit too much I guess.
Please refer to my reply to this person and also apply it to yourself. This is not a mud slinging contest
I dont see how the powers cant come from some “representative” from each covenant. Same with Soulbinds considering each is with a specific npc. They could have easily made a area in the hub city for each group that we can go to and switch powers but still lock us to backing one officially for purposes of story and xmog and all that jazz.
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Perhaps not for yourself and others in the thread. For everyone? Besides mog and your covenant abilities how else, externally do you indicate you are a part of a covenant?
For those who do want covenants to be as impactful as a choice as are other permanent character decisions are, yes it would be.
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Yeah, that’s just gonna make it even worse. Imagine doing all those weeklies and dailies and all the other crap you have to farm for you to get your soul binds, and conduits and renown up, and Blizzard nerfs the ability right before a raid. That certaintly won’t piss a lot of people off. lol
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Because choice should matter.
I don’t even like how easily you can change talents and spec.
At this point, just let us change our classes with a click, so everyone that wants can easily always play with the class that is topping the charts (that would have 0 impact on the ones that chose not to).
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But that’s what these arguments will always boil down to. How much are you going to streamline to make people only interested in instanced play happy?
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They have always said they reserve the right to make changes on the fly. This would be no different
I would also point out the part of that discussion that Bellular and many others seem set on ignoring. Ion does not want everything to be cookie-cutter, which is what you have then people can freely change things to be BIS on a whim.
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Yeah that isn’t going to stop the crazy amount of negative feed back they will receive. The Covenants in general are going to be a balancing nightmare. Being locked to them isn’t going to help them. Good luck making new content when you’re constantly trying to balance the power of all these stupid locked abilities.
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Good question would changing the visuals of your abilities to match that of your chosen covenant be good enough for you? That way you also have unique covenant style abilities that are not tied to player power
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That being your daily/weekly activity hub where all your quests come from, the NPCs you interact with. The mounts, the mogs, the whole renown system in general. Also, if you are super into covenant representation, cool! You can still just pick your covenant ability… so no, still not seeing a downside for you.
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I think that would be good enough for me. If they did that I’d have no objection.
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This is not an arguement though and never was until him and you. We were all having a civil conversation amd trying to find a ground that would be appealing to both sides
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Instanced play is the only part of the game that gets any love. I really feel sorry for the folks who play this game for world content or story. Most of the story isn’t even in the game. You gotta buy that separately.
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This from the who whenever pressed on it insists they don’t care about Covenants.
Don’t stoop to their level dude
I said I was indifferent. Doesn’t change the fact that despite WoW being the most accessible MMORPG in existence, players still need their hand held for a basic decision.
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We’ve been watching it fail since alpha. The issues have been uncovered months ago and are still there.
I can guarantee people would invest so much more time if they could work towards at least unlocking the other abilities by helping the other covenants. There’s is nothing to invest time into if we can’t do that, just dailies in your chosen covenant. People have grinded off-spec artifacts, off-spec legendaries, off-spec azerite armor sets, etc. Now they aren’t allow to do that and are stuck with the one spec their covenant ability works for.
You can’t balance abilities that are different on a fundamental level. It’s not like they are just “this ability does 1 damage, these two do 3 and the last one does 7”, they are “this one works here but doesn’t work over there at all, but this one works quite okay across the board”.
They would have to nerf Decimating Bolt below the ground for it to be overtaken by Soul Rot, or buff Soul Rot to be an insanely strong dot, which would break it in PvP. There’s no winning.
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I’m not stooping to their level. Just highlighting the fact that that person in particular will happily change their mind on what they like and dislike about Covenants to whatever is convenient at the time, while insisting that they don’t actually care about the system.
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That being the case then any combat related powers should be completely removed and have only utility.