Unless there’s a moment where he says “dang jaina, you were right”, this just reads as headcanon.
no? That’s ridiculous.
The Bael modan attack is done in a time of peace specifically. Thrall was kidnapped immediately after he handed the reigns of power over. The Fort Triumph invasion was specifically stated to be before the shattering. Garrosh didn’t attack until his people were starving.
The conflict in Icecrown, the duelling airships in ICC, Varian invading the barrens, and Tyrande being unwilling to trade food to the people who fought and died to save her homeland from KT all happened because of it.
The Alliance is directly the reason why the Horde didn’t have a whole verdant jungle’s worth of food to pull from, you can’t destroy someone’s food source and then deny them food when you have massive surpluses.
They literally had a fortress northwest of Xroads they built from the last time they invaded the barrens and northwatch itself. they didn’t need to wipe out tauren villages to do anything.
That was a publishing issue. It is prior to the launch on the timeline.
I honestly don’t see the point of going round and round. Garrosh starting the war was never even a point of contention. The game and books have been pretty clear putting it on him.
Oh wait, no, at least according to the wiki’s description, the Ashenvale attacks would have been AFTER Theramore struck into the Barrens, as it places both of those attacks as post shattering while the attacks in the barrens happens just before/during the shattering.
Over something that wasn’t the Hordes fault. You let kids starve for no reason and then wonder why the Orcs fight back. All alliance simps have zero honor and legitemacy.
Cut content is not canon. The PC stole the Bell no one else.
It wasn’t.
Soldiers stormed out of Northwatch the day before the Caatclysm. Jaina is to blame.
Still an official declaration.
At a moment when Thrall left and Garrosh wa forced to deal with nothing but ashes left for the Orcs in the worst land on the planet and zero resources.
You ignore plot you don’t like? Hypocrite.
The blood elves are the last Horde race apart from the Zandalari having a real grudge with the alliance. They better not ignore it in Midnight. But since Metzen is alliance biased too they will welcome Alleria and Umbric with open arms making it the worst story ever.
Same here. I wish everyone hated the United States government. But I don’t see what this has to do with discussions on how bad Blizzard is at subverting expectations without resorting to moral nihilism. XD
DAAAAAAAMN! You said it perfectly. People always forget Kalimdor is the way it is because of the Night Elves, yet the Night Elves hoard almost all the verdant places left on the continent.
This would be a great, nuanced thing to explore that could lead to multiple different opinions across the fan-base and within the world of Azeroth itself.
Yet they just decided to make us burn their tree down instead. Because drama.
Might be the writers but it’s also likely to be the plotters… aka the people who tell the writers. “We need the tree to burn. Figure it out. Oh, and the alliance can’t be guilty of anything… just pure unrestrained horde aggression.”
“Didn’t we tell the players this was going to be more neuanced?”
I have to go back to the Blizzcon interviews/panels of the era, but I swear he talked about helping create Yrel during the expansion reveal. I know he was the head of story and franchise development at the time- coinciding with chronicles.
Id have to imagine even if he didn’t create Yrel, he had some hand in the approval process with her as a flagship character for that expansion.
And I am really curious what he will do with her arc. I would guess he can’t do a 180 on what previous heads have written (as much as Id like), but I also can’t see him supporting that decision. Best we could hope for is a subtle backtracking of recent Lightbound origins or some expanded context.
It reminds me of the rumor before Legion that he was unhappy with Sylvanas’ characterization.
Seeing Yrel eat the villain bat after so much Horde slander between MoP and Dragonflight healed my soul. Finally alliance heroes are no longer untouchable.
Refreshing to see a well-informed person. While both are not without flaws, there’s even more to it than we both acknowledged.
For example, there are regulations on capitalism. The problem is these regulations are often removed or selectively enforced. A main benefit of capitalism is it’s meritocratic when done properly - anyone can advance if their product is good and supported. This is something communism lacks.
One thing I’ll compliment communism on is the idea that everyone takes only according to their need. But this is not viable for a few reasons; mainly that human nature is too selfish for that, resources are limited, and some jobs are more important than others. Communism fails to account for those three factors (as well as God, but that’d require a separate discussion in and of itself), thus it cannot work. There’s also the fact that communism is anti-property rights, and the existence of stealing and communism’s own “take according to need” says those clearly exist too.
While there is some merit to that, there’s more to it.
The issues is further muddied by counterfeit Christians (people who identify as Christian but really aren’t, including “cultural Christians” like militant atheist Richard Dawkins). Jesus did say many would find the (wide) path to destruction and few would find the (narrow) path to life.
While reporting tends to skew towards negative, that doesn’t explain Christians getting singled out.
With negative reporting, there was far more coverage of the Catholic Church sex scandal than Islamic grooming gangs even though it was about the same crime (with kidnapping also for the Islamic gangs). There’s also portrayals in fictional media, which has treated Christians and Christianity as punching bags more than any other religion since at least the 1990’s (including in Japanese media, so it’s not all Western).
As for strongest countries in the world, the top ten include China (world’s least religious and most atheistic country), Japan (mostly Shinto and Buddhist) and two Muslim nations (UAE and Saudi Arabia).
Criticizing the majority is a thing, but that can also be an example of laziness (especially in the Age of Information), bigotry or contrarianism.
Spot on. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Especially since the route they went with Yrel was less “Alliance villain” and more “Light bad”, so to me it didn’t even hit the “Alliance villain” note.
Come on Erevien. I agree with you on a lot of things, but did they have to pick YREL for the villain-bat? It’s so disappointing, regardless of faction-alliances.
I mean, I’m all for it, but I’m a radical extremist irl.
As much as I would have loved to see Garrosh turn into Papa Stalin, this simply isn’t relevant to Warcraft right now XD
Edit: I just wanna say how funny it is that Thadeus and I agree on a lot of things in WoW, but we are apparently on completely opposite sides of the political spectrum.
Warcraft brings us all together, I guess XD
Edit again: Damn it I hate to dive into this political discussion but I have to say one thing: human beings are not inherently selfish. At the very least, our inherent selfishness need not override our dedication to the tribe. This is learned behavior exacerbated by feudalism and later capitalism. We are a social species and we evolved to form egalitarian band-societies.
Class divides are a glitch, not a feature, of human society. We spent the vast majority of our existence without them, and we can find a way to form a modern society without them as well.