I’ve spent the past 3 years waiting for WotLK and LFD. I’m done waiting.
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Better unsubscribe then, cause it’s not coming.
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Look at the big bad muscles on this lvl 29 alt account - this is a hill I will die on. If a handful of purists can cry enough to get RDF removed, the rest of the community can get it reinstated.
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Blizzard made that decision, and it was a good one. Im thankful they are catering to the playerbase and not listening to whining forum posters.
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I’m hoping they just set up a server group of “Elitist Vanilla Masochists” that does not have RDF so people like you can transfer there to discuss how uber you are for spending hours looking for dungeons daily and bask in your self-perceived greatness while the rest of us enjoy the game.
Just join a guild, its easy. Fixes almost any issue with not having rdf
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Hasn’t worked for months now. What makes you think it will now?
It’s almost as if that “rest of the community” is perhaps even smaller than the other side, which you claim is only a “handful.”
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I say let Blizzard take a poll of the classic community to put any doubt to rest about this argument. One vote per account, not per toon.
Thus far the only people I’ve seen in favor of getting rid of RDF are people on sub-level 30 alts.
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Wouldn’t really matter which side is the majority anyway, considering game design has never been a democracy. And it shouldn’t. But sure, I’d like to see an official poll so that RDF will stop claiming to be the majority.
“I can’t beat their arguments with a logical rebuttal, let met attack the character they post from!”
That’s real convincing.
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Because it is clear you have difficulty understanding inference - my point was that for all I know it could be the same account posting on 5 different characters defending the same thing.
Gotta set yourself up for when you’re proven wrong by that poll huh? And when that happens and you can see you’re in the clear minority, you can just revert back to the “bUt iTS nOT a dEMocraCy” line of whining.
Yes, I understand that Pounces, your explanation was not needed. This doesn’t change my point though because that’s not a logical rebuttal. It’s simple conspiracy.
No, not everyone that disagrees with you is the same person posting from multiple accounts.
I wouldn’t be proven wrong though. Your bubble does not represent the community at large. There’s a reason Blizzard’s stuck their ground on this. Why would they stick their ground with a “handful” of people? What sense does that make for a company interested in making money?
It isn’t, and nothing will change that.
Are you sure I’m the one whining here? I’m not the one that’s advocating for any changes. That’s what you’re doing.
It’s surprising (to me) that people consider Dungeon Finder different from LFR, especially for something like Wrath of the Lich King Classic, where Heroic instances (which are end-game 5-man content) are part of Dungeon Finder.
Having said that though, I’m not against Dungeon Finder, or even a Raid Finder for Wrath Classic. I’m also not against cross realm, merged servers, or even cross faction for that matter, either.
They don’t actually, they will fully ask for those things if they get RDF. We’ve already seen this song and dance before.
All of the arguments used to justify Dungeon finder can also be used for LFR and Cross realm play, all except for one – the arbitrary commitment to authentic Wrath. They never cared about that anyway, considering real authenticity would mean RDF comes in during the ICC patch, and not at launch.
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For me, RDF is a way to create a group for dungeons where as LFR is creating a group, dumbing down the content to the extreme, and removing the epic feeling raids have. I don’t get an epic feeling from dungeons, but maybe just personal pov.
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I’m not sure I follow what you mean here, “create a group for dungeons” vs “creating a group?” EDIT: Oh, nevermind, I reread what you wrote, and I missed the important bits!
Hmm. I’m not sure, especially if I consider how I personally played some of the raids in Wrath and Cataclysm, like Vault of Archavon and Obsidian Sanctum and even the 20 man’s in WoW Classic and 10 man’s in TBC, where I mostly didn’t run them with a guild during a scheduled time, but rather formed a group ad hoc whenever I felt like it, just like with other dungeons.
What’s weird to me is that raids have week-long lockouts.
You speak only for the opponents you have manifested in that brain of yours. The conversation has never been about asking for those other things. You’re welcome to bang your drum up and down these forums if and when Cataclysm Classic is announced about how adding LFR to Classic would be a bad idea. Given Blizzard’s current stance, I would be surprised if they added it.
But until then, we are focused solely on the systems present during WOTLK. Because spoiler alert: some folks are specifically showing up to Classic for WOTLK. Some folks didn’t give a fart about Vanilla Classic or TBC Classic. Some of us want to relive WOTLK because it was one of our favorite expansions.
Again, stop speaking for the rest of us, cowboy. Just because you can’t refute the arguments presented by the opposition to your own opinion doesn’t mean you get to invalidate what we say arbitrarily.
For the record, if we don’t get RFD until ICC, that’s perfectly acceptable.
“Please keep RDF in the game - make some non-RDF servers”
Totally agree on that.
They’d never do that. 95% of players would be on lfd servers. We all know it.
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It lies at the subtext of nearly every single Pro-LFD stance. It sounds to me like you don’t even know what you’re arguing for, which is unsurprising, I suppose.
Until RDF gets added, right? And then we shift the goalposts just like we’ve done for 15 years? We’ve seen it before.
It won’t happen this time, sorry to say.
That’s what I’ve been doing for months now. Why do you think RDF isn’t in the game and they have zero plans to add it? Because I have been refuting your arguments, conclusively and easily I might add.
The only invalidation I do is through logic, and yes, it absolutely is fair and justified to do that. Sorry, but logic is not “arbitrary”, no matter how much is proves you wrong.
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No RDF is a massive reason people have been flocking to mega servers. I had a DPS on Bleamaux “or however you spell it”, and it was literally impossible to find groups for anything because an overwheming amount of people transfered off to one of the two larger mega servers. Forcing evrybody else to do the same.
Cross server queues would prevent that problem. And this is why one of the major compromises that pro RDF players were willing to accept was to keep RDF server only for “x” amount of time, then if a group can’t be filled, then it opens to cross realm to fill the group.
If you’re anti RDF and you don’t get why they are needed, then you’re more than likely on one of the 3 mega servers.
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