gotta love how they argue it is apparently such a minor inconsequential addition while simultaneously throwing fits for 2.5 months straight that they don’t have it
feels pretty significant of a change if you guys want it this badly. jesus.
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So when they introduced dual spec in wotlk and then started giving free gift bags to tanks in the LFD queue, it’s because dual spec fixed the number of group interactions?
You’re a fool. We literally have proof that this makes people solo more and it does not make them magically interested in pugging with the retail crowd.
Proof = Retail. Years of data. Dual spec trivializes the game and fixes nothing.
Go back to retail.
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Let’s be honest though. It’s very difficult to understand what a small change will have on the entire game. There are so many things people don’t think of including the devs who make these changes happen.
It’s just like changing something in code to add a new feature. On paper it looks like it’s just gonna add the new feature, but after testing and using it for a year you realize how many other things were affected by it, bugs that happen, etc.
My two problems are this:
1.) need a gold sink
2.) respec in the middle of a raid is way too convenient
Add a gold sink to the price (few thousand to respec indefinitely) and only being able to do it in town and you’re left with something an addon can probably take care of for you instead of implementing dual spec
Except those actually have real arguments as to how they effect you. Dual spec doesn’t. Pointing to these arguments as confirmation to yours doesn’t help you in any way shape or form. Argue why dual spec is bad. Don’t point to other changes and go “WELL THIS IS BAD SO DUAL SPEC IS TOO”.
Your arguments
Again, you are using data from a different change to complain about the one we are discussing right now. Unless you think people will unsub because of dual spec then all your doing is grasping at straws with nothing else to add to this discussion.
Idc about what other changes did to the game, because that’s a different discussion. This discussion is about dual spec and what downsides there are to this changes SPECIFICALLY.
Ok so you actually have nothing to add to this discussion you’re just a nay sayer just because. Alright then.
The second a fresh vanilla server is offered and it destroys tbc or wotlk, pull up this post. Vanilla fresh will decimate all of them.
yep i agree with add DS. then they can stop/merge all these Bcc retail beta testing and add fresh No change servers that people will actually come back for and play. all changes have been killing the game. but hey as long as the 20% are happy right? every change more unsub. they pay to play classic style… not classic with retail changes. when they open the fresh with no changes and your left with retail garbage AGAIN. you help destroy because changes don’t have effect anything.
I never said changes don’t have effects, I believe most changes have negative effects. I think changes like what they did with the arena system has infinite more negative effects than something like dual spec.
So your whole argument is boiled down to “is X a change? Yes? Then it’s bad”
That’s all you have to offer and it’s idiotic. Because believe it or not there are some changes that can happen to a classic game that would be a complete net positive. Look at world buffs for classic vanilla for example. THAT NEEDED A CHANGE 100%. But by your own logic you would rather the game and raiding participation just straight up die and have pvp servers get decimated with single faction stacking because “CHANGES BAD”. Ok bud.
This reminds me of when people said “dont use the boost if you dont want to. It has 0 effect on your gameplay.”
This might be the worst video game community ever
Blizzard allows them to destroy the game because it makes them more rich than if they were to enforce rules and create some type of enjoyable atmosphere in game that isn’t full of transfer requests, gdkp crap, and bots running rampant.
I’m not exaggerating when I say retail players are playing classic the same way they play retail. You should not be able to aoe everything down. You should not earn exp when a group member is 50-60 levels higher than you. You shouldn’t charge other players gold to do content when it’s a video game, the content and doing it is supposed to be fun; not something to be circumvented and taken advantage of.
Instead of stepping in and preserving classic, blizzard did absolutely nothing which is their strongest strategy to make more money. The only players sticking around are those who enjoy buying crap on the cash shop and skipping content. It’s retail players playing retail and blizzard enabling it.
Who are we, the old school playerbase, to get in the middle of them and disrupt such a long history of delivering crap quality expansions and cash shop content and it’s adoring sheep?
It’s not like they made classic for an old school playerbase right? They said that. They kind of deceived us right? Because to say one thing and do another thing while taking people’s money is considered deception, no?
no my logic is leave a great game how it was made. it has problems but that’s what most wanted to play. old school wow.
why change it to something people did not want the first time around?
so it can die again… then what in 15 years repeat? classic is suppose to be old ways. what classic community wanted why its hear. now they killing it all over again with stupid i want this added that wasn’t first time.
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And not changing certain aspects of the game can also kill it just as fast if not faster if you don’t address it. World buff meta MURDERED raid participation for a ton of people. All your arguments stem around that fact that it’s bad when people leave. Well people left when you didn’t change a toxic meta so what’s your argument for that?
Blizzard is going down.
You can’t completely ruin all of your intellectual property and expect people to keep showing up. This tyrannical run is coming to an end.
Diablo - trashed
StarCraft - trashed
Warcraft - trashed
Overwatch - trashed
Heroes of the Storm - trashed.
Activision showed up, made all of these games with no passion while eroding the soul of previously good games. They can’t make a good game, they are incompetent.
If they add dual spec
WoW TBC - Untrashed
I don’t remember people unsubing in masses how some say the first time. because that’s how the game was made and people played it cause it was fun didn’t matter all about endgame or metas it was about getting along and making new friends. playing the game for the love of the game. so my argument as you say is retail playing easy added wanna solo metas/QoL changes killed a great game and is starting over again.
Moar changes to help fix all the changes. Keep piling it on. Eventually the steaming turd will touch the sky.
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Its actually very simple.
The only reason they wont add duel spec is the same reason they wont add faction transfers.
Its not in the code
They aren’t going to try and work out all the intricacies of importing wotlk features into tbc.
All the changes made so far to classic were simple things that required very little adjustments to the game, features like duel spec and faction changes are MUCH more complicated
Tokens don’t effect me at all. Dual spec gives me a second spec.
False.
This sounds like someone’s 60 year old relative trying to explain how email works.
Blizzard is happy to have you believe their small indy tram is just unable to handle coding the game properly, despite the fact that some guys did in a basement in France during their off time. (Private servers that have been around for many years before blizzard offered classic)
Blizzard doesn’t do anything because they’re incompetent and have resolved to realizing their best way to making more money is doing nothing and then releasing new garbage or paid remedies in the form of the cash shop to their own issues they help create.
I didn’t say blizzard COULDN’T do it
I said why they WONT do it, until wotlk
They would rather release those things when they are supposed to come out by copy pasting the already finished wotlk coding rather then wasting development time trying to reverse engineer wotlk features into tbc