Preach. It is the most controversial uncontroversial change I think I have seen on these forums. Maybe when they originally added batching? Dunno.
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What servers merged?
Nothing to take up. It wasnt intended yo be an insult.
You said that you agree that flying mounts ruined wow.
I just asked if you were going to stop playing tbc and going back to classic.
Hoping to get a serious answer. If you think something is ruined , you either quit or you play a previous version. Unless “ruined” isnt really thw word you meant.
Its like saying i liked peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. I added ketchup to one and it ruined them. So i continue to put ketchup on them.
lets say they add it…
people that never tanked. will swap (most likely don’t have 1 piece of tanking gear) but hay i can tank with 2 swords and wear plate. this leads to more people abandoning dungeon runs. (it happens now but will increase 10 fold). healers will leave and have to wait for next… so a 10 min run turns into 30-40 min run. same log applys for DS healers… i got this heal spell i am healer, tank leaves cause it died 2 times. then everyone blames the tank anyways cause they wipe… now the good tanks that have played tank and can do it well have the same problems and increases shortage of tanks because people always blame the tank. how this toxic retail bcc beta test is already.
You seem defensive and overly hostile. Have a Snickers. You start posting stupid when you are hungry.
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So you think with the simple addition of dual spec, people will just collectively get dumber and think they can fill a role that they have absolutely no gear for right now? If someone is this dumb why wouldn’t they just do this right now? Why is dual spec the feature that’ brings them out?
Also if you get a tank in your group that has 0 tanking gear on and two swords… couldn’t you just… you know… not invite him?
This is a SUPER unrealistic scenario you are painting.
Actually when they originally added batching it was a massive positive thing for the forums. Everyone loved the idea. Go back and read the original forum post on it everyone was rejoicing lol.
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So people have this argument that Dual Spec will ruin TBC because people can change specs while in the middle of a raid and trivialize the content and make things too easy. This is a very good point and should be addressed if they decide to throw in Dual Spec early.
There are some easy things they can do to prevent this, however. They can simply disable Spec Swapping outside of main cities. That way you would have to take the time to hearth, swap spec, and get summoned back outside the raid to get this done. While this would still be doable, it would add a considerable amount of time to raid night if players were going to constantly do this in between bosses.
They could also simply leave the Spec Swapping up to your class trainer like how it is now. Pay your 1k gold or whatever its going to be and now when you go to your Class Trainer they let you swap specs for free. You still have to spend the time to run to them and setup your talents and what not.
Both of these strongly discourage cheesing the raids because it takes enough time to discourage doing it. If raid groups still want to do this then I guess they will just have much longer raid nights.
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This happened first time around. why they took it away after WotLK
Last time I was in Retail, spec swapping could occur at any rested location and was not limited to a trainer. That said, I also think this would be a good enough deterrent that most guilds won’t bother having spec swaps mid run. Especially guilds that are looking to speed clear.
What are you talking about? They took what away? The issue with this and wotlk was that people used the dungeon finder so you were stuck in there with those badly geared players and you had to take a penalty to leave. It had nothing to do with dual spec it just had to do with people quing healer/tank who didn’t have gear and they wanted the quicker q.
This has absolutely nothing to do with dual spec.
you just stated my point why DS is not needed ty and problem it causes
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You need to explain to me why dual spec causes this. You have yet you give me any sort of explanation. You can use your quick little jabs of listing off an issue and walking away without any explanation all you want, it doesn’t help your argument at all.
This is the exact sort of discussion that makes me believe anti-dual spec people don’t actually have any valid opinions on the topic and they just don’t want it in because they don’t want it in. You have nothing to add and when you get questioned you just say things like “see I’m right thanks” without even explaining a single thing lol.
I prefer to play a mmo, with other people, and have fun.
I prefer not to play a solo statistics based elitist pvp/pve lobby.
If that is what you enjoy, cool!
But I didn’t - and I didn’t come back to play classic/tbc with the intent of complaining to the devs all the time about how it needs to be fixed/changed to be “better”.
You think you want all these QoL features,
But you don’t play retail where they are all available.
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Super down with a flat fee of whatever, 1000… 2000… and only being able to swap specs at your trainer.
But I am also super down with clicking 51 times or whatever when I wanna swap… cuz when there was dual spec I still used three specs. A raid spec, open world, and PvP. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
i don’t have to… you said it already
that cause a problem in long run. with more abandoned dung runs and waiting for a real tank/healer to fill the spot. making a 10 min run into a 30-40 min
I don’t think abuse is the right term. If folks were worried about abuse, there are plenty of other things that could and should be patched out.
I play to have fun too but when the content gets difficult and I want to run a top 10 leaderboard key… or pug for a mythic raid… you’d better bet I’m not just taking anyone 
That being said I still play a blood elf hunter and use a cat cuz it’s more fun to me!
I definitely understand the frustration when people get super weird about pugging people for stuff that’s easy though. Like when I form a heroic dungeon group in TBC I just invite the people who message me first… and usually that ends up being me doing all the damage but we still get it done and it’s not a big deal / everyone is having fun, especially the rogues/dps warriors/boomkins/feral druids who a chunk of people probably don’t invite 
Ok now listen to what I’m about to tell you… I just explained to you the issue with DUNGEON FINDER, not dual spec. Dual spec does not have people jsut magically decide to go into a group with trash gear. Dungeon finder does because you are stuck in there with them, especially if they are grouped with someone else. It also has a very uninteractive feeling to it where you are just waiting for a q time, you aren’t having anyone asking you what your gear is like, it doesn’t have people look at you before entering the dungeon so it’s easier to try and get away with this stuff. If the people leave in a dungeon finder group if they don’t like your gear they take a penalty which is what makes this suck. Dual spec doesn’t magically make people try to try a role with trash gear. That makes no sense. If someone is going to do this they will do it with or without dual spec already. Do you understand what I’m telling you now?
lol its how it really is.
retail is garbage i wont play it… but classic wont be with the changes lol
yes i see you are like all you change everything say “it has no effect”…
they said this with boost and HVH that was added. “it has no effect at all”
well the 75-80% of people that has unsubbed since these closer to retail changes has started. That a handful of people wanted. I think is a effect these added changes has to the game.
i say add DS why not only around 20% of classic vanilla player left. because they are not getting the game they supposed to be paying for. kill the game another 10% or so… WotLK will look like a waist of time why? because tbcc has no player base now.
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