To all those who DONT want dual spec

Except there is a difference between a 1 time purchase of a band’s CD and a continuing subscription model that is tracked over the course of 2 years. If people didn’t like Wrath, they would have unsubbed…you know like they did in Cataclysm.

That justification makes total sense for certain changes. Changes that don’t effect you in any sort of way. Some changes have an effect on you whether or not you use them and some do. Dual spec imo has no effect on you with or without your participation. Even something like transmog effects you even if you don’t use it.

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Yes and No. At some point the culture of the game will shift. A lot of people here don’t like retail for various reasons. The next question is why? Usually, there is some way “not to use it”.

It’s also more complicated than that, because you have to consider the type of players subbing. Lots of people did unsub, to be replaced by players of a different type.

Much more than its predecessors, Wrath catered to super casual players, who just wanted to log on for short stretches and get quick, easy epics. Not coincidentally, this is the same audience that retail is currently primarily aimed at. Wrath is when that shift in target market began.

Naxx 10 and 25 was tuned to be the easiest raid in WoW history, even easier than MC, easier than Kara. Then after Ulduar, which was more traditionally tuned, the later raids all had easy modes. This drew in a lot of new casual players with the lure of easy purples. There’s a term for them. They’re called Wrath Babies.

But at the same time the Wrath Babies were subbing up in droves, a lot of the old school traditionalists were quitting because they didn’t like the new direction. So it was sort of a revolving door. If you were a part of the former group, you probably love Wrath. If you were a part of the latter, probably not so much.

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Link gearscore for inv.

Oh! How about:
Link achievement for inv.

No? How about:
This healer sucks, kick them and re queue

Clearly the best!

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Ah, this wouldn’t be terrible actually if it were like that. I still think it’s kinda takes away from what TBC is but in the way you’ve presented it, if it were to be implemented by Blizzard, this would be a great way of doing it.

I don’t really have any issues paying the 100g a week though as well, as it kind of is the only gold dump aside from those giant bags. Gold dumps are good for the economy. I can’t speak on how much it helps the economy, but I would think it does on a relatively significant level.

Whatever. You nitwits said the same stuff about vanilla.

Oh flying mounts ruined wow. Oh store mounts ruined wow. Oh leveling is supposed to take forever. Blah blah blah

You got it. Its classic servers. Your forever museum. Yeah. Those servers you abandoned for the 30% less experience needed to level in tbc. And the flying mounts that ruined wow. And the store mounts and boosts. All of that stuff that you are so happy to be playing with now. Yeah. All that stuff that you claimed was sooooo bad, you jumped ship to get.

Grow up already. Its a fricken game. Stop acting like you live in world of warcraft.

Do you also continue to play other games that you don’t like while whining to the developers to alter the mechanics and gameplay to suit you?

Find a game you enjoy and stop trying to screw up what other people enjoy.

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There’s no difference between this and looking at logs for an invite to a guild, which many competitive guilds do. There will always be metrics we can use to help make judgement on whether or not someone is competent. Things like raider.io have just made that process easier.

When I used to produce pug raids I would have to have everyone come to the center of town and check their gear, which was rather annoying and honestly not nearly as good as a metric as logs.

Metrics are incredibly important when leading a successful pug now that content is exponentially more difficult. I couldn’t imagine how many high keys I would have failed had it not been for addons like raider.io

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I actually do kinda think flying mounts ruined wow LOL. And I am about as far away from the #nochanges crowd as they come!

like all you change everything say “it has no effect”…
they said this with boost and HVH that was added. “it has no effect at all”
well the 75-80% of people that has unsubbed since these closer to retail changes has started. That a handful of people wanted. I think is a effect these added changes has to the game.
i say add DS why not only around 20% of classic vanilla player left. because they are not getting the game they supposed to be paying for. kill the game another 10% or so… WotLK will look like a waist of time why? because tbcc has no player base now.

I have found that game. Its tbc. I olayed it originally and loved it. I love it now.

I have also have the luxury of seeing changes that were made that were improvements since tbc. Changes that would make a great game even greater

So. Nah, i wont be looking elsewhere.

You however can go. Go right in back to classic servers. The little museum that you wanted. The greatest game ever that was only ruined by the changes in tbc and later. Yeah that is where you belong. You wanted it. You got it. Now go there and stop trying to be an obstacle to the changes that were made in tbc that blow vanilla away. You want no changes so get the heck out of tbc. Changes are sooo bad. Classic servers want you. Go. Leave tbc. Go away classic boy.

Please just go back to Retail.

Nothing wrong with that. Are you going back to the classic servers then? Or staying to play on the ruined servers?

Please just go back to classic.

Take it up with someone who is a #nochanges person. I will continue to play until I am ready to not play. As far as I am concerned, there were a number of changes that should have been made to Classic that weren’t. Chief among them was either making the Boon a thing earlier in the game’s life or removing world buffs. I personally don’t care which they chose.

So, try retail? It’s got all the “great changes” that everyone came up with.

Let’s say the culture shifts because of dual spec. What changes exactly? Like absolute worst possible case scenario and dual spec becomes a norm every single person in the game gets. What changes?

I’m not really for or against it tbh, I can go with or without it. But this change probably has the most minor impact on the game I can’t possibly see an argument against it that makes sense to me imo.

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But it do.

Like when they merged the servers after classic tbc came out? That change alone ruined classic for me. It’s not the same game, it’s got no server community left.