I never said that bringing something to Blizz’s attention means it’ll be resolved.
What I did say was that Blizzard does also rely on user reports to fix issues their monitoring (often) misses.
So, things like this thread are a helpful signal.
Blizz’s official stance condones kicking for any reason with no limitations and they also buffed a debuff to be more punishing for anyone who engages in all queued content.
Still troublesome if people are seeing instances where they’re unable to vote kick. I rarely use it and have noticed it happen a few times.
It’s beneficial to Blizzard if their systems are coherent/fair for players and function proper. It’s not beneficial to the player base when Blizzard is free wheelin’ 30 minute debuffs all around. I’m still irritated I had to eat a 30 minute debuff cause my Dawnbreaker bugged out and wouldn’t let our group fly (stuck in combat). I don’t even know how to “fix” that issue truthfully. Did I deserve a 30 minute debuff for leaving a bugged instance, not really.
The issues between vote kicking and the deserter debuff go hand in hand.
What it also has to do with is a “blanket” decision made for all queued content with no exceptions. 30 minute deserter debuff if you leave the queueable content at ANY point. No foresight as to how that would branch out in LFR and create a literal deserter debuff chain passed by innocent backfillers.
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“Help I’ve blocked people who disagree with me so now I’m perpetually confused because I can’t ready any of the context”
Congrats on improving your experience, I guess
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The debuff was applied to those kicked originally because the issue back then was worse than the one today.
The debuff applying after the first boss is because too many people complained at the start of this season that people were leaving after the first boss. So ironically it was implemented because people complained for a solution to a short term problem without thinking of the unintended consequences of that solution.
I wish I had a good answer.
Sure.
An issue hasn’t been flagged. Someone has given a narrative to GD. If someone wanted to flag issues for attention, genuinely, they’d use the tools they’re given (and told about) like;
GD is as good of a place as any to discuss this.
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I don’t necessarily disagree.
I disagree that posting it here constitutes “flagging it for Blizzard’s attention.”
I also disagree with the implication that they only care about something that receives traction on these forums (or any social). We’re a minority, and a minority that can’t agree, at that.
And if something had changed with people kicking in their metrics… they would have changed their stance on kicking.
Your second part, that change was to LEAVING. Not kicking.
Sure. But not common.
They are coherent and they are fair: we were given agency over completely random people that we are forced to group with in pugs.
The circumstances of dumb or crappy kicks is not so prominent that they see a need to change anything.
The change you brought up was to leaving, not kicking. Which again, entirely different topic. And I believe they need to separate leaving and kicking system, along with separating dungeons and LFR with it, as well.
LOL fair enough.
We were told to use in game feedback or the Dungeons forum. But mods don’t care if it’s here.
I never said they only care about things here. I said user reports (such as form posting or influencer videos) often help flag issues to Blizz to fix beyond what their self-monitoring systems miss.
I’m not saying people shouldn’t talk about it, here. On the contrary, I very much support that.
The hesitant verbiage is because I would disagree wholly if the idea were that GD were as good as anywhere else to actually have something done about it.
your the exact reason why votekick exists.
you are seriously selfish af. did u ever think maybe everyone else also has jobs and families to take care of but we actually spend 5 minutes to learn how to play the game while you refuse to?
this is why votekick exists, so we dont have to be held hostage with you and by you.
working as intended
Oh, I was just giving some information. It’s why I originally posted the support article for the OP, so that they knew where they should go for feedback. Not saying they can’t be here, just where Blizz wants it.
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I also need my coffee, so I’m sure my addlebrain is showing through.
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I need a bourbon cream hot cocoa. I just came in from shoveling snow a bit ago. lol
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Most groups don’t care if you have bad dps in leveling dungeons once the dungeon is over they just leave, and half the time one guy is doing half the dungeon’s damage. Just dont afkor pull random stuff for no reason and you will see you rarely get kicked. I would do normal and heroic dungeons when I’m bored for the gold bag, and if someone is afk for more than a boss they get kicked.
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yea exactly what you said no one cares much about bad dps or even people who dont know what to do in leveling dungeons. the people that get kicked have to really just be afk, not pressing any buttons at all, or doing some really annoying irregular things to get a kick
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lol…speaking of hyperbole, lol…
Sorry friend but no one is being held hostage in trivial content that 3 players can easily handle because ONE player is only doing half damage lol
This is why I don’t understand why people are getting kicked so much and assume there must be something they’re not telling us
I’ve been in groups with bad DPS before, literally no one said or did anything about it
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Experiences vary but we can’t say something doesn’t happen because it hasn’t happened to us. That’s confirmation bias.
ah you’re one of those weirdo’s that is all about believing everything without proof or evidence