Title: A Serious Issue with Dungeon Vote Kick System and Player Toxicity

[Matthew-kalecgos]

@Warthinator-earthfury

Hopefully the wowcmfeedback emails actually are read and acted on.

I’ve sent a few emails to them and only got a reply once. I got a forum vacation for telling someone “I’m sorry, I do not agree”. I got a reply from Bashiok who apologized, said I did nothing wrong, had a talk with the moderator, and lifted my vacation. And that was even after the moderator telling me that they conducted their investigation, etc and said I was wrong.

@Rabititus-shuhalo

And if we can just be real here… You don’t get actioned for an opposing opinion, you get actioned for being a tool while expressing your opinion.

Read above, you absolutely can, and I will guarantee I am not the only person it’s ever happened to.

@Tigerfist-atiesh

There is no win win solution to this problem.

It seems the problem has grown bigger over the years. I do not remember it being as bad in the olden days.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Matthew-kalecgos

I got a forum vacation for telling someone “I’m sorry, I do not agree”. I got a reply from Bashiok who apologized, said I did nothing wrong, had a talk with the moderator, and lifted my vacation

And there you go with that abusable ambiguity in the rules totally open to interpretation by anybody that might be in a bad mood because their life partner caused an argument the night before LOL

This is why form rules need to be very specific and entirely unambiguous

If it Was reversed then clearly the first person abused the situation with their own bias and the second person decided to use level-headed rationality

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Jeje-area-52

I don’t know what criteria you’re looking for as proof

The only proof we have that this isn’t a huge endemic problem is the fact that Blizz has done nothing for the penalty or system concerning any of these issues.

I’ve gone through the list of things they changed when their metrics showed problems with different things. And we’ve even had people who post these threads say these problems are uncommon. That’s what we’ve got.

@Jeje-area-52

No it’s not, Blizzard is preventing an initial vote kick.

Within the ways that their system works. Do I think it’s a good idea? Not really. But I haven’t seen it affect too much to make a hug deal out of it.

@Jeje-area-52

Have to look at the whole picture and re-evaluate.

I have. And I’m looking at the whole picture in context to Blizzard. Which I’ve mentioned numerous times.

@Jeje-area-52

Queued content is not better for the changes that have been made recently

That has nothing to do with kicking. Only leaving. And that’s an entirely different topic.

@Liolang-daggerspine

IF one is going to complain a topic has been ‘beaten to death’ then do the adult thing and

And post information from Blizzard and give opinions and ideas? Thanks, I will.

Don’t backhand insult me.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Matthew-kalecgos

It seems the problem has grown bigger over the years. I do not remember it being as bad in the olden days

There are generally a lot of comments on this form I noticed talking about how it used to be in the old days and how player behavior is a lot worse today than it was say 15 years ago and that’s entirely outside of this particular topic that I see a lot of that

What I noticed personally being one that reads here everyday was that when tww went live the vote kick threads exploded in here.
I’m not the only one that has noticed it others were mentioning it too since this expansion began. I’m just having a hard time personally understanding where all the impatience is coming from

[Primerate-sulfuras]

@Sendryn-sentinels

The only proof we have that this isn’t a huge endemic problem is the fact that Blizz has done nothing for the penalty or system concerning any of these issues.

It’s well documented that Blizz is closely attuned to every issue in the game and fixes them only when their very careful monitoring shows it to be an issue and definitely not when people flag it to their attention because they missed it or didn’t care.

[Matthew-kalecgos]

@Platinumtwo-benediction

i know your uneducated but what do you think laws are and how are laws made?

Laws are not always the same as a social norm. In my city, it’s a “norm” to do illegal drugs.

@Platinumtwo-benediction

people like you are so exhausting to deal with

Was that even necessary?

[Platinumtwo-benediction]

anyway. as said before, if op shows video recording of the time they get kicked it will show all of us what the real issue is. and im betting 99.9% of the time its them thats the issue.

and its 2024, its not 2006 where its hard to record your gameplay. in 2024 its actually harder and more effort to NOT show your gameplay, unless you obviously want to hide what really happened/happens.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

@Primerate-sulfuras

definitely not when people flag it to their attention because they missed it or didn’t care.

This thread’s been left to roll thus far, despite being flagged and reflagged.

[Primerate-sulfuras]

@Snowpine-ghostlands

This thread’s been left to roll thus far, despite being flagged and reflagged

That’s not what I meant: I meant just flagging issues to Blizz’s attention so they can resolve bugs and issues they weren’t aware of until user reports.

Nothing to do with the ‘flag’ for reporting spam

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

@Primerate-sulfuras

Nothing to do with the ‘flag’ for reporting spam

Is this different in some way I’m unaware?

[Primerate-sulfuras]

@Snowpine-ghostlands

Is this different in some way I’m unaware

Flagging things for attention is a common idiom that has nothing to do with the ‘flag’ button on these forums.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

@Primerate-sulfuras

Flagging things for attention is a common idiom that has nothing to do with the ‘flag’ button on these forums.

…Is ‘flagging it for attention’ not precisely what using the flag button does?

[Bruceleeroi-kilrogg]

What a childish thing to say, this is the exact mentality that would initiate a vote kick because of the way he plays or he doesn’t meet “YOUR” standards. How entitled must you be to demand he record every interaction?

Most of us have full time jobs and family’s to take care of we don’t have the luxury to sit around all day and pretend we are streamers… it’s easier to stream than not? lol I love the entitlement it truly shows your inability to comprehend the situation on a mature level.

Edit: don’t bother wasting your time responding… I won’t read it nor do I care

[Primerate-sulfuras]

@Snowpine-ghostlands

…Is ‘flagging it for attention’ not precisely what using the flag button does

I don’t know what’s so difficult for you.

My original post talked about in game issues being fixed because users flagged it for Blizzard’s attention.

The flag icon exists because of the idiom, not the other way around. Like I said, my post has nothing to do with reporting user posts via the flag icon.

[Liolang-daggerspine]

@Matthew-kalecgos

Laws are not always the same as a social norm. In my city, it’s a “norm” to do illegal drugs.

Very good point.
Some places are handing out free needles for addicts…when they should be gettting them help.
Just because a rule says its ok, doesnt mean that its actually ok.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

@Primerate-sulfuras

The flag icon exists because of the idiom, not the other way around.

Sure? I don’t know what point you’re trying to make, it’s still used to flag things for attention.

[Warthinator-earthfury]

@Sendryn-sentinels

The only proof we have that this isn’t a huge endemic problem is the fact that Blizz has done nothing for the penalty or system concerning any of these issues.

You literally quoted patch notes from WotLK showing them making adjustments. And for what reason, other than it being abused?

The system hurt people back then and it hurts people now, especially after the debuff started applying to people who get kicked after the 1st boss.

[Primerate-sulfuras]

@Snowpine-ghostlands

I don’t know what point you’re trying to make

Yes, that much is clear.

[Snowpine-ghostlands]

@Primerate-sulfuras

Yes, that much is clear.

Yes. When asked, you barely avoid just calling me an idiot.

If thinly veiled ad hominem’s all you have, I’m going to have to assume you don’t have any way to substantiate the meaning behind your sarcasm;

@Primerate-sulfuras

It’s well documented that Blizz is closely attuned to every issue in the game and fixes them only when their very careful monitoring shows it to be an issue and definitely not when people flag it to their attention because they missed it or didn’t care.

I gave you direct evidence that they still make decisions based on the situation, not based on whether it received attention.

[Sendryn-sentinels]

@Snowpine-ghostlands

it’s still used to flag things for attention.

Why are we even talking about flagging? What does that have to do with the topic? Asking, because I don’t see their posts and it seems an odd derailment.