To be working as intended that means blizzard got together one morning and decided to create a tool for players to troll other players with LOL kicking them for no reason at all. No one here actually believes that
The system is working as intended, you just don’t like that players are using it.
Probably should work differently based on whether you’re running content that matters versus anybody kicking in content where you can finish the run with three people instead of five . seriously need to check themselves and their motivations. Which is most of the kicks that I saw
Nikelly,
I don’t expect a reply, but I don’t think your initial post was looking for solutions. It was looking to change the toxic culture. (The ChatGPT almost made it sound like a political speech to me.) One forum post is not going to suddenly inspire everyone on the forums to behave differently, and this forum is just a small fraction of players.
You claimed that the VTK system is abused more than used appropriately, and that the ones kicked (expulsado) are the victims. It may feel like this emotionally, but this is not based in reality. There are legitimate reasons to kick someone from a group and they aren’t always malicious, the reason I see the most often is “dc”. If someone is disconnected, it’s not their fault, but life goes on and we’ve got a dungeon to run. (And if 4 people don’t like the way I’m playing, I don’t want to keep playing with them anyway.)
There are so many suggestions in this thread, I skimmed and won’t list them all, but this is why there is a Suggestion option in the game. I think you might be stuck on the player behaviors that you can’t change, so maybe try focusing on what you can suggest as a change to the system (like suggesting 15 minutes instead of 30, or suggesting the Yes button have a countdown like with the Vault).
(Dios concédeme serenidad para aceptar las cosas que no puedo cambiar, valor para cambiar aquellas que puedo, y sabiduria para reconocer la diferencia.)
Ironically the agenda in here can’t even be consistent. If you look at another thread it’s talking about tanks and I mentioned that we had one tank that went on a mining Expedition on Guardian and without asking the group was literally going way off the beaten path so that he could mine, and those cases they’ll tell you that you’re wrong for kicking that player even though he’s being disruptive to the Run LOL
But the agenda changes then suddenly they’ll tell you that you can kick anybody for any reason LOL
So in the other thread we are somehow in the wrong for kicking a tank that is being disruptive but then you come into this thread and they tell you that you can kick anybody you want for any reason you want.
Stuff like this makes it so we know that we can’t take anybody seriously on this form. They can’t seem to make up their minds from day to day minute to minute hour to hour what is right in wrong in this game
The reality is that the penalty is called “deserter” and in fact no one deserts, unless they are voted for expulsion.
If the penalty is for a “deserter”, apply the 30’ to the person who deserts. And whoever is expelled, do not penalize him. It’s not difficult at all to understand.
I bet this thread is going places.
Thankfully I avoid groups now so this issue means nothing to me. zpeople in teh game are horrible now. All my friends left for other games.
The same thing happens to me. I just chatted on WhatsApp with my ex-tank about this topic. I don’t know who they are but very toxic people have joined the game that turns anyone off. And the company does nothing about it.
Here I am, watching other games because the situation is unbearable.
I read another thread, they ask for more penalties for the M+. 2000 people are going to end up playing endogamously if they continue like this.
Not that this game was the Army.
I don’t believe the OP at all. I just don’t, in fact I think the first mvp response was spot on and this is in fact a wildly succesful troll post, good work tbh.
I’ve played since vanilla and I’ve done hundreds of levelling dungeons this expansion. I have never been kicked one time, not once. I can count only in the single digits times that someone was kicked from a group, and 99% of the time it was because they went AFK and the group was not a timewalking lvl 11 group.
In the rare rare rare case ( I’ve had two in this expansion so far, can’t recall exactly beyond that) where the kicks seem to stem from an argument in the group or because of something personal/trivial the kicks failed.
This is a made up problem. If you really are repeatedly being kicked from dungeons, stop going afk, stop spamming or being rude in chat, stop whatever you’re doing to get kicked, because you are, period.
Many players understand the need for a debuff, as unfortunate as it may be, however the debuff time is too long and should be considerably shortened. 12-15 minutes is more than sufficient considering the average length of time to complete dungeons currently.
You could make it even shorter if there were stacking penalties for repeatedly being kicked within a certain timeframe. 5-7 mins the first time in 24 hours (just as an example) and doubling each additional time.
I know people complain about being constantly kicked unfairly but it actually doesn’t happen that often.
You got kicked 60% of the time for not participating/ contributing to the group as a whole the same as everyone else. Yes it may be leveling up content, but no one is going to ignore a dps doing less dmg than the healer.
This is actually a reasonable kick.
Another 20% due to spamming chats with addons. You can easily configure your addons to not do that, further you shouldn’t even be using raid addons in leveling dungeons, its completely unnecessary.
Again, reasonable kick.
And the other 20% due to server??? This one is made up lol.
I also ran a lot of leveling dungeons and the only time anyone is kicked is if they are not participating.
This is where BTag comes into play, so you don’t have play with their alts either.
If you place one character on ignore, it will ignore every character also on the account.
So, lets say if you place my main, Ayukama-Frostmourne on ignore in-game, not only Ayukama-Frostmourne is ignored, but all my alts on my account are ignored too. Only to the character you placed me on ignored as well.
Now, this doesn’t work if they post on a classic character.
Which clearly means that only retail characters should be allowed as avatars in retail GD.
Yeah, but you’re not queuing up with those in WoW Classic either.
EDIT: Oh, on the forums, the ignore needs to work account wide.
I got kicked from a group last night because I said I spilled some Mountain Dew on my desk and needed 30sec to grab a tissue. I kind of gave up with wow as a whole but with humans in general, yall are piece of crap
That is so messed up. Come back to clean up your mess and suddenly you been kicked. lol . That is so Fudge up!
Honestly, this is something that needs to be changed…I think ignores should go by battletag. You could still right click - ignore, but it will ignore their btag and be account wide. WOW’s ignore system is ancient, clunky, and almost useless. You have to use an addon to sync your ignores to your other characters, and that shouldn’t be the case. Blizzard really needs to get on this, other games have MUCH better ignore systems.
Let’s think about this logically.
You’d figure if a game with 7million+ players had a massive toxicity problem like you folks claim, then it seems like… we’d see it talked about WAY more on the forums as well as the vast majority of lfg runs would just end in failure since everyone is just so toxic.
And if this was truly a problem. You’d think blizzard would step in to defend their $15 monthly. But not only is it not really being talked about or addressed… but they also doubled down on the vote kick system and made punishments harsher.
So either toxicity is a rampant problem and no one is really talking about it oooooor… you’re blowing this way out of proportion.