Title: A Serious Issue with Dungeon Vote Kick System and Player Toxicity

[Sabbia-moonrunner (Sabbia)]

Because the exact opposite is true lol.

[Forums-skeram]

@Barlowe-illidan

continue to suggest it’s all fake because the observable evidence doesn’t match the narrative you’re trying to create here.

It’s easier to call people liars when your experience does not match theirs.

I mean, I’ve never won the lottery. Therefore people who say they have are liars.

Yeah…

@Barlowe-illidan

Much easier to just call people attention seekers and trolls than to figure it out for yourself.

This is just a coping mechanism. Kind of like being debunked, then spending your time making personal jabs at the person rather than say “You know what, you were right” or “We can agree to disagree”. You know, like a normal person.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Forums-skeram

Most of yours ARE logical fallacies.

This is the problem with forums at times are posts like you two. Demanding evidence when they really don’t want it. Attacking the person rather than their position. Bringing up things that have absolutely nothing to do with the position. Attacking a position the person never even held.

All in attempts to derail the discussion.

The pure lack of self awareness is astounding

“This one’s called ad hominem”

[Ayukama-frostmourne]

@Forums-skeram

It’s easier to call people liars when your experience does not match theirs.

If it were the truth, than evidence should be easy to post, especially considering uploading to YouTube requires no effort.

[Myzrym-area-52]

Well you’re dealing with people that simply operate by the idea that volume = victory.

Debates in that world are won by shouting the loudest. Or in this case just posting the most.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Ayukama-frostmourne

than evidence should be easy to post

Try to remember, asking for evidence from a person making a claim about something is a logical fallacy.

To avoid logical fallacies, please just assume that what they say is true without proof. That’s much more logically sound.

[Forums-skeram]

The fact that you created a side discussion about it.

oof…

You were saying something about “self awareness?”

@Myzrym-area-52

Well you’re dealing with people that simply operate by the idea that volume = victory.

Debates in that world are won by shouting the loudest. Or in this case just posting the most.

They very well may think that, judging by the sheer magnitude of logical fallacies I’ve seen in the past hour alone. That one too is called “bandwagon fallacy”, fyi

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Forums-skeram

That one too is called “bandwagon fallacy”

Starting to assume you’re not even talking about me with these posts:

@Barlowe-illidan

Generally speaking, something that garners a lot of support would suggest there’s merit to what you’re saying, so if you say “I was kicked for picking up a quest” and you get nearly 100 likes, then obviously, that’s evidence of a larger systemic issue with the game.

Because I didn’t see you calling that one out before

[Barlowe-illidan]

@Karvalli-proudmoore

To avoid logical fallacies, please just assume that what they say is true without proof. That’s much more logically sound.

Pretty ironic considering Ayukama just suggested that OP is a liar and an attention-seeker, and the only reason why their post garnered so much support is because it’s easy to dupe the forums.

No supporting evidence or proof to suggest that. Just them being frustrated at the possibility that the problem in question is more common than they want to admit.

[Forums-skeram]

I’m sorry, I was still smiling at the “self awareness”.

@Barlowe-illidan

Pretty ironic considering Ayukama just suggested that OP is a liar and an attention-seeker, and the only reason why their post garnered so much support is because it’s easy to dupe the forums.

No supporting evidence or proof to suggest that. Just them being frustrated at the possibility that the problem in question is more common than they want to admit.

My side does not need evidence but I will disingenuously demand it out of yours.

[Barlowe-illidan]

@Karvalli-proudmoore

@Barlowe-illidan

Generally speaking, something that garners a lot of support would suggest there’s merit to what you’re saying, so if you say “I was kicked for picking up a quest” and you get nearly 100 likes, then obviously, that’s evidence of a larger systemic issue with the game.

Because I didn’t see you calling that one out before

You understand that any and all arguments leveraged here are based on what each side believes as the prevailing belief, right? There’s nothing else we can observe other than that.

So if you could be honest for two seconds and recognize how disingenuous you’re being, that’d be swell.

[Forums-skeram]

@Barlowe-illidan

if you could be honest for two seconds and recognize how disingenuous you’re being

I engaged with them in completely good faith because I love conversation. It’s when people cannot agree to disagree and become disingenuous like that is where the conversation pretty much ends. They fall down a rabbit hole of logical fallacies and slinging mud.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Barlowe-illidan

You understand that any and all arguments leveraged here are based on what each side believes as the prevailing belief, right? There’s nothing else we can observe other than that.

So if you could be honest for two seconds and recognize how disingenuous you’re being, that’d be swell.

This is getting confusing.

Forums tried calling me out for a logical fallacy.
I pointed out that it applies to you and he didn’t call you out.
That’s me calling him out for a logical fallacy.

I’m the only one being disingenuous here?

Make it make sense guys.

If I’m disingenuous for committing logical fallacies, why aren’t you guys disingenuous for committing the same logical fallacies?

[Forums-skeram]

@Karvalli-proudmoore

Forums tried calling me out for a logical fallacy.

Because you don’t get to live in a glass house and throw stones.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Forums-skeram

Because you don’t get to live in a glass house and throw stones.

But you do, apparently.

[Jeje-area-52]

@Ayukama-frostmourne

If it were the truth, than evidence should be easy to post, especially considering uploading to YouTube requires no effort.

Video proof you were anonymously vote kicked or it didn’t happen, get out of here.

The only people who have proof of “vote kicks” I’ve been told… are streamers who “can’t be named” that are begging for a kick for funsies. Sounds like abuse of a “system” that can’t ever be abused… but what do I know.

[Missfire-dentarg]

Best idea, yet. Also, give all heaiers battle rez, it’s idiotic that all healers can’t do this.

[Karvalli-proudmoore]

@Jeje-area-52

Video proof you were anonymously vote kicked or it didn’t happen, get out of here.

It’s been done before. Most recently by someone who wasn’t a streamer.

@Jeje-area-52

The only people who have proof of “vote kicks” I’ve been told… are streamers who “can’t be named”

I can’t give you their name because it’s against forum rules, no other reason.

[Forums-skeram]

Non-sequitur.

Man, I really should keep count here.

@Jeje-area-52

The only people who have proof of “vote kicks” I’ve been told… are streamers who “can’t be named” that are begging for a kick for funsies. Sounds like abuse of a “system” that can’t ever be abused… but what do I know.

People don’t record every dungeon they go into. That’s why the evidence they’re asking for is impractical and disingenuous… also sealioning. They don’t really want evidence. They want to harass people for it by asking for it in bad faith.

[Kiyoko-ravenholdt]

Pretty easy to prove being vote kicked. You see “you’ve been removed from group” in the chat log and are kicked out of the group. That’s not abuse of the system though, that’s use.