What prevents it from being challenging without a timer?
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So youâve never heard of a soft enrage timer. Thatâs what Iâm getting from this.
Soft enrages that happen at a bosses % arenât but m+, visions, islands, and bosses that occur on a timer are.
Thatâs cute but not realistic. If a player has a choice between taking it one encounter at a time and getting a large debuff by the end of the floor or picking up a big pack and aoeing them down to have a small debuff by the end of the floor they are going to do the later. History shows us this is the case.
You can go through as quickly as youâd like to but there is no reason to punish players who want to go slowly and take a different approach. This is just M+ game play rebranded with solo functionality. Pardon my hozen but Itâs ooking stupid and so are you not because you disagree but because you are clearly trolling this thread.
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What would you add to it that would make it challenging to the point where you might have to give up and try again later?
It was literally a feature of the content: By and large, your failures in Torghast are measured in deaths, not with a timer.
The challenge should come from the mobs, not something prodding you to finish up.
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Then make it harder as you progress, not a race to see who can get it done fastest.
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So youâre saying that phase 3 Ra-den doesnât put you on a timer before your tanks get one shot?
Thatâs not a challenge thatâs just a DPS check.
You can definitely take as long as you want in M+ without penalty or punishment. You just forgo the reward of a higher key.
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What does that have to do with anything that Iâve said? Also, I can give a more clear example of a soft enrage encounter in a boss fight if you want.
Itâs not a race to see who does it fastest.
There already is and has been for a long time, ever heard of enrage timer?
Amazing! You can also pause between levels in Torghast! Itâs the same thing. And any way to Sunday, its a soft enrage timer. Iâm not sure where youâre getting these rules from where itâs every single encounter. Because the entire floor IS the encounter.
So again, itâs not different in any other content in the game.
I agree. Because I didnât say âenrage timerâ. I said soft enrage timer. Meaning that the run gets harder the longer you take to clear it.
Should look at what I said. Nowhere did I state âenrage timerâ.
Youâre playing word games, and causing anger and strife in the community, at a time when we really can use some good news and happiness instead. Stop it.
And no, the whole floor is not an encounter, its a dungeon. The trash packs, and the bosses, they are the encounter.
Yep. So youâve never heard of soft enrage timers. Understood.
Now whoâs trying to redefine words? 
I mean, i suppose minors could still be a problemâŚbut i just donât realistically see people stopping and waiting 3 mins for all of their minors+trinkets to come off cd.
I get that whole âit just turns into a slogâ argumentâŚbut at some point even the most ardent min/maxers will run into RL or just other in-game things theyâd like to get done.
Iâm not going to spend 1 hour on 1 floor just so i can pop my all of my cds for each of the 20 pulls. Itâs just not realistic.
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Amazing! You can also pause between levels in Torghast! Itâs the same thing. And any way to Sunday, its a soft enrage timer. Iâm not sure where youâre getting these rules from where itâs every single encounter. Because the entire floor IS the encounter.
So again, itâs not different in any other content in the game.
I agree. Because I didnât say âenrage timerâ. I said soft enrage timer. Meaning that the run gets harder the longer you take to clear it.
Should look at what I said. Nowhere did I state âenrage timerâ.
Youâre playing word games, and causing anger and strife in the community, at a time when we really can use some good news and happiness instead. Stop it.
And no, the whole floor is not an encounter, its a dungeon. The trash packs, and the bosses, they are the encounter.
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Your argument is that soft enrages do not put you on a timer. Youâre wrong and i just highlighted why. hypocritical of you to criticize others for not knowing soft enrages if you canât understand the example i just made.
Which ACTUALLY makes it better than the change you are in this thread arguing for. Thank you for the correction but it only serves to highlight my point here.
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Point out where I stated exactly that soft enrages do not put you on a timer. Quote me on it.
Adding a timer to it makes it a race, if not against other people, against the clock. Itâs still a race not harder content. there are different difficulties in dungeons and raids, Not a timer, if you get it done this fast you get more drop or higher ilvl.