It’s fair that you feel this way after visions. I do not believe that Torghast will be like that. If it turns out you have to speedrun to complete then I will be on your side.
However, from what I’ve read of the debuffs, excluding one, it seems that you will not be hindered at all by wanting to explore. You might lose a few % of dmg. That’s not a big deal and you won’t notice it.
For peoples concern about pugs getting angry that they’re not going fast… Maybe it’s just me but this doesn’t seem like the content people should be pugging. It seems like more of a solo/with friends experience. I know for a fact me and my group of friends will not be speedrunning. I plan to explore and do all that good stuff and I doubt in any way my progress will be hindered by the timer
I think Ion has the wrong idea with those recent WoW evolution comments. He seems to think players are naturally this way in the current day when it’s simply the conditioning of current WoW systems. Other online co-op games like Monster Hunter I have not once seen someone rude or obsessed with min-max if I’m using a goofy build. He fails to realize people are trained this way because of WoW’s use of limited keys, time-gating/lockouts, timers, and reward/punishment systems.
I think it’s sort of a self-creating problem. People min/max and are obsessed with speed because the systems encourage it so the systems encourage it more so people are more focused on min-max, etc.
Welp it’s official, I now won’t be going into those tower any more then the min amount… JUST LIKE VISIONS! The TOWERS will now FAIL!!!
Blizzard why couldn’t you have just put in a simple cooldown link to combat. Make it so cooldowns only tick down if your attacking things and pause when your out of combat. (just disable the toys and it would work)
BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! You Missed the WHOLE point of why you made that tower to begin with. Dispite all the junk you pulled over the years Blizzard this actually the first time I seriously want to leave and download Final Fantasy.
Again that is only now and for well geared healers and blood dks. Take a look back at all the posts from healers about being forced to find groups that quite frankly don’t want them because healers are not necessary. I’m fully aware that there was an early run of a 5 mask from a disc priest but the amount of skill and gear needed far exceeded most other classes. To be honest priests in general have a hard time in visions.
The healer tank nerf was designed around the average dps tanks and healers could do. Those classes on the low end are still screwed in comparison. While tanks like warriors now have the ability to out do DH’s.
You say a blood DK can grab an entire area and aoe it down. True but they still take 3 to 4 times longer then my warrior who can pull 45k on a pack of three and can pull in excess of 300k if I pull an entire wing. And this would be far more but I only have a single rank 2 TD.
It was meant to be the ONE place I could run and get stuff that didn’t have a timer. THAT is HOW IT WAS SOLD TO US!!! That is WHY I BOUGHT the EXPAC!! This is now why I am considering a refund.
Come on man you keep missing the point. It’s not about being able to complete the content it’s feeling guilty about exploring and doing anything that isn’t rushing. I can do 5 mask solo with all 3 of my orbs up but I avoid running it with friends because of the limited entries and timed aspects. If I’m running with a friend in Torghast there is going to be feelings with a timer that would simply not be present without a timer. Stopping to explore will have feelings of guilt. That may not be the case for you but it will be for others.
Then whatever you aimed to get in Torghast that’s not part of the legendaries craft system you won’t get until you decide that a clock isn’t going to stop you
Till then, don’t say a word when others around you are getting the things they want