What’s funny is your pitiful attempt at dismissing what I said without argument might hold more weight if there wasn’t the fact you can see 90% of my post history is scathing criticism over the current game. So I really don’t know where you’re pulling the idea that I’m shilling from because I’d easily put myself at one of the top people on these forums who are very critical of Blizzard and have been since 3.2.
It’s not a timer.
It’s like saying raid is timed content because it resets in X amount of days.
It’s a subtle timer that exists just to make sure people aren’t spending forever and a day on one floor.
And honestly how do you expect them to make the higher floors harder?
There needs to be some form of soft timer to keep players moving.
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If people want to no life it and wait for timers, let them.
That, or just have it so you can only lust once per floor.
Timers are obnoxious and they’re being over used right now. An actual competitive format like M+ makes sense, but for this? No.
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Just don’t be braindead and take 10 minutes to develop a strategy on how you’ll deal with it. Build experience and breeze through it like second nature.
If timers in this game honestly hinder you, the problem exists between the chair and the keyboard because if anything the timers in this game have historically been very friendly to terrible players.
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What argument? there should not be a timer period. They said there would be no timer and now there is one. It doesn’t matter how forgiving the timer and debuffs are, they should not be there at all. But keep shilling, I’m sure Ion will notice you and give you that pat on the shoulder you want.
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Hate timed content.
But I will try it.
And if I don’t find it fun…
…I won’t do it again.
No need to stress about it.
It not like it has the potential to ruin the whole game for me like other changes.
We have seen things like this in boss fights, there is often the “Hard enrage”, which if you hit, you are likely dead. However, there is also the soft enrage, like stacking debuffs that do more the longer the fight goes on. The soft enrage is mostly “get the boss down before the innate damage drains your healers mana or you can’t be kept alive through it”.
With the soft enrage, as long as your healers can keep people alive, you can take however long you need to down the boss, but once the healers are out of mana or the damage is too much for them to heal, it is over.
I am not a fan of timers, but even I can see the difference between “you have to complete in this time or get kicked out” and “don’t sit around like a lump because you need big CDs for every pull”
For me “gogogo” is only when people are pulling mobs when the mobs do nasty things and/or the healer can’t handle the pull due to mana, debuffs (grievous for instance), or sudden damage (quaking).
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There isn’t an inherent timer. It’s what a lot of us call a “Soft Enrage” if you’ve ever done PvE content outside of LFR.
Right, because the content should be designed around you making sandwiches every single pull on a single floor. What’s funny is I know you’re uneducated on this subject and arguing from pure emotion because each floor has a resting area you can take as long as you want in. This literally only applies after you began a floor to prevent you from CD waiting for every single pack, once you finish the floor take your break.
Lmao, still trying hard for that? You really are clueless. What next, going to say because I disagree with you that I’m “literally Hitler”? Try more buzzwords you don’t actually know the meaning of, you might find one that actually applies to me.
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You’re the one shilling for Ion. Everyone else here doesn’t want Torghast to turn into Mythic+ where everything is rush, rush, rush, and the smallest mistake gets you kicked from a group or pug. There is no reason whatsoever there should be a timer or debuffs that punish you for playing Torghast. But hey, if that’s your bag, good for you. As I said, keep shilling for Ion and he might eventually notice you.
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A) the rush rush rush attitude seems to come mostly from those that think they can brute force the content, most of the time this is what leads to the timers being FAILED
B) you can also solo Torghast, so you might not be in a group or pug to get kicked from.
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Both of those are true, however, how much are do you want to be these forums will be filled with threads of people talking about being kicked for being too slow or not having enough DPS to instantly blast everything down in one shot? because chances are, there is going to be a lot of those threads come Shadowlands.
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Keep trying to say that, clearly it’s worked so well for you the last two times you’ve thrown that accusation at me and I’ve pointed out how that’s not the case.
What’s funny is people like you actually hurt your causes, you just make your side of the argument look as silly as you.
Huh, if only Torghast was able to be done as a solo endeavor at one’s own pace. . . Oh wait it is. And before you try to argue “THERE’S A SOFT ENRAGE! THAT’S NOT MY OWN PACE!” Yeah, you have resting areas. Start a floor, finish it, go and take your 3 hour nap and come back and resume progressing.
They don’t. In fact they punish you for not playing Torghast. If you begin a floor and decide to go AFK, the game is punishing you for not doing the content.
So tell me, what is it like being so blissfully uneducated on subject matter? Some of us actually do this thing where we view the other person’s ideas and dissect them to show them the logical flaws holding up their argument. You just sit here and shout random names as if you’ve said anything substantive.
Can someone on this guy’s side of the argument that doesn’t bear a room temperature IQ actually debate this subject with me? I’m not going to get much intellectual responses from this guy.
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Considering most of the casual and/or bad players tend to favor soloing everything they possibly can, and Torghast is set up to be supremely solo-friendly, I’m not expecting many of them.
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Those likely would happen with or without the timer, because there are always those that, if others don’t play their way, will kick people for any possible reason. I mean in M+, I could be pulling at a fast clip, not big so we don’t have a lot of trash mechanics to deal with, but there is little downtime between killing one group and puling the next and someone would still say I am going “too slow”.
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Good luck trying to actually educate yourself and coming up with some real arguments past trite namecalling because someone disagrees with you.
Honestly, and I speak from the heart here. Leave this discussion to the people who actually are on your side and can actually give reasons instead of crapping themselves over the boards and making their entire side of the argument look like a bunch of clowns. You are hurting your own cause.
I kind of want to ask this guy to show me where on the doll that the timer touched him. He has such an absurd hatred over timers that he’s unable to actually give logical arguments past just name calling anyone who disagrees with him.
It’s become so prevalent that he’s confusing soft enrages with actual timers.
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I love how people are getting butt hurt at blizz when they only did it because of people in the playerbase. If there’s a shortcut or easy way to do a fight, people will exploit it. Go be mad at the players.
This is what everyone who is against the set up is doing. The only kind of timer that I hate is “you have x minutes to get this item and get out” set up, where if you don’t meet the timer, you are dead/kicked/etc.
In Classic we have some guilds on logs that will straight up log out and take hours to clear a raid just so they can burst every boss with their whole CD arsenals, some this even includes waiting 30 minutes for Recklessness on warriors so they can push really high damage parses but is in no way indicative of their actual ability.
This is much of the same I see, people who are only good with all their CDs crying that they can’t always have them up for every encounter.
Yeah, I can agree with you on those. As generous as they are they tend to get annoying but I have like the opposite reason. In visions after a couple upgrades I had so much time in visions I was looking for extra stuff to do just to beat the timer before engaging the boss.
There does need to be a middle ground where some content has hard timers to do things to prevent people from just RP walking through the whole place moving like a snail. That being said, I’d be more in favor of soft enrages over hard timers just because a soft enrage you can deal with to a certain point before it becomes unsustainable and being able to juggle a soft enrage mechanic like a stacking debuff making it harder to stay alive, but still managing to pull it off feels like an immense feat.