They changed it long after removal and nerfing of all of the content of the BG, which the original map was tuned for. All that would be accomplished by moving the horde cave in this version of the BG is that it would make it even more easy for the alliance to avoid PVP.
No it wouldnât, it would be the exact sameâŚexcept it would at least give alliance players the tactical options to either defend, go on offense or try both. Right now alliance literally has no options but defend. Iâm talking strictly pugs btw.
Right now horde get to the alliance side so fast that any possible ally offense is technically a defense right from the start because the initial clash happens way in alliance territory.
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Group queuing was in vanilla
10% dr was in vanilla
No number when joining the bg was in vanilla.
Hmm I thought it was moved sometime in Vanilla but it has been 15 years so perhaps youâre right. Either way it doesnât make sense the way it is now.
Personally I think they should just randomly assign the starting locations so that it evens out overall. Horde get north sometimes and south sometimes, the lore can be that each side takes whatever area they can when they clash in AV.
You would have a valid point, if this was even remotely true.
âInitial clashâ as you ride right past Balinda on the west side of the map, avoiding as much PVP as you can?
Good grief dude.
You ever think maybe those alliance are riding past and avoiding you guys because theyâre trying to mount an offense but canât, because you know, theyâre automatically attacked and put on the defensive before even getting out of ally territory. There would be no need to avoid you if both sides actually met in a neutral spot of the map, or even better on horde side so we guarantee have to fight, lol. Come on dude use some logic.
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Sure. Except it sounded like we were debating the actual fact that the starting points position have the teams meet up on the alliance side of the map and not in the middleâŚ
Iâd say as far as your advice goes, Iâd take it a step further and suggest that if you are into PVP in this game, that itâs in your best interest to role horde. You know? For the athstetics?
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What you did wasnât debating, it was poking a bear. Leave stupid quips out of it. I will NOT take you seriously, nor should anyone else, if your debates include insults
Absolutely nothing I said was insulting.
So you are avoiding PVP so you can mount an offense⌠elsewhere? Dude, what is your definition of âoffenseâ? Why is it not a âguarantee have to fightâ at Balinda? You literally want it more easy to avoid horde.
In what alternate universe does this make the remotest shred of sense? The BG (originally) was designed in such a way that objectives needed to be captured and defended. The hell would meeting in a âneutralâ area, the most open and spread out area of the entire map, which (now) has not a single objective to fight over, do to foster PVP?
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i always reserve the right be wrong lol. But this is what i see in patch notes history.
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Canât argue with a guy that doesnât understand the difference between offense and defense.
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Meeting in the middle of the map would mean both sides start on even footing and gives both the opportunity, based on pvp, to either fall back and defend from there if losing or keep pushing forward offensively into enemy territory. Right now itâs ally vs horde at Balinda, which means, you guessed it, ally are automatically on defense.
Your posts stink of horde bias and of someone with zero experience from both sides. Something tells me that if the tables were turned and the horde had to start fighting ally at IBGY you would be here crying for changes.
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Horde have a massive advantage in AV. But that is deliberate on Blizzardâs part.
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You right
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I guess you skipped right over my post where I said that Iâd be fine if the starting sides of the map alternated/were random.
Then what are you even arguing about, lol? Whether they push the cave back or alternate sides, we both agree it would even the playing field. Only difference, and reason, i agreed with the cave push back is because thatâs something that we know realistically can be done, because it already has been.
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Either way i donât care, i hit rank 8 and got exalted in the first week. The only time i play AV is when Iâm not raid logging or playing horde alts, and when i do play AV its to try and get some 1v1s or small skirmishes going.
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Will trade you the cave being pushed back, for the ability to run to Aid Station in a group without aggroing all the vendors. Ill also throw in not being able to backdoor DB if you allow us to pull Vann solo without relying on a flimsy technique (and no, the pally bubble pull is not the same as the prospector pull, and is much more reliable)
You have yourself a deal.
Except you arenât meeting horde at SH. You are meeting Horde mid field. I know because I know where I am when the zerg moves through and it is past Balinda. I have an epic mount and carrot. No one is going much faster than me. Straight up. It is a VERY slight disadvantage based on where in the midfield we meet because it is slightly toward the alliance side. Pretty sure that is balanced out by your bridge of unpassable unpassableness that you would actually be able to defend if you bothered having more than 5 people on defense that arenât zerging.
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