Time to kill the elitism

[Norinila-moon-guard]

@Chïntzy-aerie-peak

You don’t become a better player just because others can’t see it on a meter.

you do know it dosent mean they are a better player right? my point is folks think that number is everything but its nothing

[Autai-moon-guard (Autai)]

@Tresa-eldrethalas

Casuals are basically relegated to LFR, Korthia and random BGs.

That’s not true though. You can do any content ya want with the right folks. Mythic raidin’ casually might be difficult, but you could probably fine a group that isn’t in a rush and takes things one step at a time. Raid lockout makes things a bit easier as well since you don’t have to start from scratch any longer.

[Notcavs-sargeras]

The levels of elitism I see in retail compared to TBC classic are pretty insane, agree with OP.

However, the content in retail is way, way more difficult now than it ever has been, so you need the very best players to clear the content. I personally will never take someone worse than me at the game if i’m forming a group for anything.

Some examples: I’m forming a mythic +20 and I get an application from a ilvl 200 m+ 0 hunter. Am I an elitist for declining? No i’m just saving myself the time of the group instant disbanding when he wipes us on first pull.

Or hey lets say i’m trying to clear heroic and 1 healer is significantly underperforming. I give them 2 pulls as chances but it’s become clear we can’t clear this boss with them in the raid. Am i elitist for kicking them in favor of a more skilled toon?

If you want to avoid elitism all you have to do is join a guild. Guildies prefer guildies for everything, and are very harsh on pugs. If you have their tag on your toon, you get into the content they’re doing (assuming you meet the bare minimum requirements).

[Thequixote-staghelm (Thequixote)]

@Norinila-moon-guard

as it was in the beginning of wow we had none of this and the attitude and community was so much better

LoL.

Remember 1337 speak? They even had their own alphabet back then.

[Norinila-moon-guard]

what are you talking about and dont be rude

[Avelpally-frostmourne]

@Norinila-moon-guard

so that would be one example on why it’s bad and toxic and false

It’s not “toxic” to get sat for a raid boss…
It just sounds like they sat the wrong person.

My experience with other players is overwhelmingly positive. Imo of people are constantly running into “toxic” players then it’s time to look for the common denominator

[Chïntzy-aerie-peak]

@Norinila-moon-guard

you do know it dosent mean they are a better player right?

That depends on the player and what their opinion of what a good player is.

@Norinila-moon-guard

my point is folks think that number is everything

No it’s not everything.

@Norinila-moon-guard

but its nothing

I disagree. It does matter in harder content. Just because players don’t look at all aspects of that meter the way you would doesn’t mean the tool is bad. It means you need to find like minded people to play with.

[Almacia-zuljin]

Just get good, brah.

[Chïntzy-aerie-peak]

@Avelpally-frostmourne

My experience with other players is overwhelmingly positive. Imo of people are constantly running into “toxic” players then it’s time to look for the common denominator

I agree.
Funny how the more entitlement we see the more “toxicity” and “elitism” there is.

[Liadariel-runetotem]

@Chïntzy-aerie-peak

Players that want to push themselves is great, that’s the kind of person that has drive and others to “look up to” sort of speak.

Just in real life. Are people that work hard through school and successfully earn a good career elitists? No, they are role models.

I doubt anyone in WoW is a role model - EXCEPT some in real life! If I used anyone as a role model in WoW I think I’d

[Avelpally-frostmourne]

So people who play football and look at Messi as a role model make you throw up too?

[Chïntzy-aerie-peak]

If a new player wants to get into raiding they aren’t going to turn to someone that only completes pet bettles and other solo content.

[Thequixote-staghelm (Thequixote)]

@Chïntzy-aerie-peak

Funny how the more entitlement we see the more “toxicity” and “elitism” there is.

Like witchcraft, once you start looking you’ll never stop finding it.

[Liadariel-runetotem]

@Avelpally-frostmourne

So people who play football and look at Messi as a role model make you throw up too?

WoW is not football! It’s a silly, but entertaining video game.

PS - don’t get me wrong, getting help in dungeons is a nice and a good way to learn, but I don’t know this person: does he beat his wife, is another an alcoholic that doesn’t take care of her kids to play WoW - IDK!

[Nubzz-moon-guard]

Toxicity really only happens in pugs from my experience.

[Avelpally-frostmourne]

@Liadariel-runetotem

WoW is not football! It’s a silly, but entertaining video game

They are both just hobbies for the vast majority of people who do them and carees for a small amount. I don’t see a difference. Both are recreational activities that people do for fun.

@Liadariel-runetotem

PS - don’t get me wrong, getting help in dungeons is a nice and a good way to learn, but I don’t know this person: does he beat his wife, is another an alcoholic that doesn’t take care of her kids to play WoW - IDK

Well that edit certainly came out of no where.
You don’t know if role models from anywhere else do that too. Hell look at bill cosby for example. Look up to by so many for years. Oops

Doesn’t mean you can’t look at someone’s gameplay and want to play more like them.

[Annastasi-proudmoore]

@Pyri-shadowsong

i don’t understand why everyone who hates elitism and rio and ilvl don’t just form groups with each other.

because they aren’t honest enough to admit that they don’t want to run with each other.

[anon94774342]

I dont play with addons.

[Liadariel-runetotem]

@Avelpally-frostmourne

Doesn’t mean you can’t look at someone’s gameplay and want to play more like them.

This is true - I just thought using the term “role-model” was/is a little strong for a game like WoW. My definition of role-model is a little deeper. - that’s all - PS - & I guess the emoji was a little bit of an overreaction… I’ll take the hit on that one

[Norinila-moon-guard]

@Annastasi-proudmoore

because they aren’t honest enough to admit that they don’t want to run with each other.

i definitely want to run with evryone thats why i made this post weekend warrior bob should have a seet at the table i think