Has the OP killed heroic or mythic raid content while it was relevant? Just curious…
using add ons is cheating? this is something new to me.
lets talk about how simple the current raid already is. infact, I have one boss that comes into mind that is so freaken easy I cant understand how people manage to still mess up. Rashok, one of the most easiest bosses in the entire raid… and people still manage to mess up. it doesnt matter if your tanking, healing, or even dpsing, its dirt easy but 90 percent of the time someone messes up. for example, tanks that dont nessarly taunt after the 2nd swing. the boss does a series of 3 powerful swings, something you typically can see and notice on your screen. upon the 3rd swing you basically become a pancake and die. you dont need any add ons to see this because its visable on your screen, yet countless new tanks, have infact missed the animation, which allowed for their off tank to instantly die. if you use dbm, it alerts you but at times doesnt always work for whatever freaken reason. another example are the puddles that dps should be taking to the walls and not stacking. again this animation is visible on your screen and you can see it clearly and yet again they dont do that, they bring it in the middle or stack it on another puddle. no add ons give directions like that. add ons like dbm “alert” you, so that you can move. they are a tool to assist you in playing the game, if you choose to use it. its not necessary to have.
so this problem isnt an add on problem but more of a player issue.
Addons and macros are great, they solve bliz UI deficiencies that bliz refuses to fix for years at a time (or ever)
The bliz UI is far from perfect. It is pretty mediocre and downright bad in some areas.
Scripts, both internal /run and external are all bad. They trivialize intended skill mechanics and literally achieve things no human could match.
Get rid of scripting, which is the bulk of cheating currently
I really think WA and gladiatorlosa should be banned but like many people have echoed, unless blizzard wants to seriously overhaul the UI, plater is a necessity, and I think no macros is insanity, no scripting in macros maybe, but something like /cast sweeping strikes /cast recklessness /cast bladestorm is kinda whatever it just saves some binds (idk if that combo is still a thing just bringing back the good ol Swifty 1 shot macro lol)
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The problem with addons in pve is kind of like this - for me it’s more fun to figure out where I have to stand after a few attempts rather than having an arrow tell me. For my guild me dieing on the first few attempts because I don’t have the arrow over my head is not fun. Therefore I need to have the arrow otherwise I’m being impolite. As much as people like to say that addons are optional they really aren’t unless you are a really good player raiding with a guild full of people who are wayyy worse than you are, which also isn’t fun because that will probably hit a progression wall and give up. Third party software being necessary to play the game is bad game design period. Yeah it’s the community that necessitates it, but it’s on blizzard to break that trend.
Edit: I am specifically talking about WA I would love for ui clarity on the level of plater to be on the base game, but unless that happens, addons can not be deleted
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Does Plater really let you see health bars across BG maps?
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As someone who’s been playing on and off for 15 years, add-ons are a part of wow culture. Customization. Just like Skyrim has a culture of modding. OP is just upset it seems because they can’t compete or lack the intelligence to setup their own macros and addon’s. Just sad seeing someone argue for less customization. I assume you’re an iPhone person…
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I literally wouldn’t be able to play anymore without help/harm macros lol
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The devs dont design anything around macros or addons. Thats just cope and makes any argument you had completely invalid.
You know what else makes the game easier
A keyboard
You should totally have to click everything keyboards are shortcuts to the mouse cursor
Are you seeing how f***ing stupid you sound yet
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Uhhhhhhhhhh
Having hands also makes it easier
did you try cutting of your hands!!!
you’d have to poke things with your nose!
hahaha
god your so stupid
lets just say stuff that makes no sense. lol keyboard. puff puff pass
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Dude, this is about how a skilled focused player (Not me)in a world without addons could very well have an advantage if they are trained and disciplined enough to track enemy buffs/debuffs on there own. Yes they are microscopic, but it’s what they have learned to track and it’s what makes them successful.
Enter addons.
Everyone now has a super power and can super easily track any and all CDs across teams, no skill required, And it’s just chaotic cluster from here on out.
That’s all this is about.
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Or they could just design the game without trying to make people with add-ons lose.
No one is making the devs make te game harder because of addons, the malicious developers made that choice purely out of malice.
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I totally believe you, low level classic alt!
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Imagine how small the pvp pool would be if you could only play against other people who from the same single server lmao.
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So blizzard created this game with the ability to use add-ons. It’s not cheating to use add-ons. Also if x person is using an addon u can too. Nothing’s stopping you. I will say if your refusing to use add-ons such as details, weakauras, gladiator, etc… then your only harming yourself, since none of those add-ons are considered cheating.
OK so.
Everyone who thinks we are saying “addons are cheating”
It’s literally the 3rd sentence.
REGARDLESS: without paying attention to the present situation
Please learn basic comprehension. about the last 10 people have come in here “addons aren’t cheats hurdur”.
just learn to read and don’t waste our time. maybe theres an addon for that?
/pray
Is that an actual fact, or did they just not stop us from using them when the first addon came out back in the days of old?
We’re not saying addons are cheating. It’s just taking skill sets out of the game.
When do they go too far? What happens if Plater or any other addon adds enemy players health bars to the actual map of a BG and you can just watch every wave of incomings or see how many enemy teams are heading to each spawn? It’s just getting to be too much. Nobody is making us use/not use addons no more than we’re forced to use/not use a smartphone. It’s a serious handicap to not have them thought there not mandatory.
Every addons takes us one step closer to automated bots running a pre determined script because our human error is getting smaller and smaller with each advance.
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To be fair, when the game was built to allow these things, it’s NOT cheating to use game tools and APIs.
The majority of add-ons aren’t really needed. Healing frames by defaults are a lot better now, though your suggestion would make healing clunky to deal with in Modern WoW.
The majority of macros don’t really do much outside of combine multiple actions together that are already permissable by the game itself, such as trinket usage. Basically, your change removes a permissed convenience from everyone and gifts it only to those with hardware such as gaming mice or key remapping software, which isn’t really needed now but would give such players an extra advantage they don’t need to utilize currently.
Most add-ons used are more QoL such as bag/UI add-ons, though WoW is also still fairly behind the times with UI customization, so your ask is largely going to just make people use ugly frames and deal with poorer bag sorting.
You COULD ban weak auras, but as weak auras are effectively nothing more than an into display, often around timable states, we would largely just be removing this convenience for everyone and shifting it towards those technologically savvy to scrape the same info and use it similarly, sans detection.
You could ban stuff like DBM, but it fits the same camp and is effectively no different than any one competent player in a group handling callouts, so that seems odd.
I guess you could ban or nuke rotation helper add-ons, but most of those are far from optimal and often end up causing players who use them to have to unlearn bad habits at any competitive level.
You could ban targeting macros, but the most useful ones are mouseover and on cursor, and much of their functionality are QoL items that should probably just be default toggle options, anyway. For mechanics that care about target skill checks, they are often immune to targeting via macros anyway, and the few macro commands that CAN interact with them are largely useless unless you have an indepth understanding and mastery of the game’s targeting system…but as skill is your basis, that seems silly to remove a skill oriented feature, however useless it tends to be.
You could ban cast sequence macros, but so few classes bother using them and they don’t really do much outside of convenience for mild repetition, which is hardly skill oriented.
And in Arena, the meat and potatoes here, the majority of macros are JUST targeting macros for targets EXPLICITLY granted by the Game’s API. Add-ons and arena are also not a free lunch, as they incur various degrees of input delay and/or lag that, however small, are often larger than those who don’t use them.
Much of the best arena add-ons don’t really do much more than info tracking, but you tend to do much of that more and more in your head than relying on your addon; the addon is basically JUST a guidepost rather than a command at any reasonably skilled level of play.
Sure, you could argue that such add-ons give INEXPERIENCED players more benefit, but if they can’t process and execute on that info, it’s basically useless to them.
In practice, the majority of macros used in PvP are using purposefully exposed targeting APIs just for Arena, and the majority of add-ons only serve to lessen the gap between the floor and the lower-mid point, and lowering that gap is net positive for PvP in general, but Arena specifically, as you need to invest new players to keep the lane alive more regularly than the PvE lanes
The irony in your ask is that Blizzard allows add-ons as an extension so that player can customize their experience when the baseline doesn’t support it BUT much of the impact of removing add-ons/macros would have the OPPOSITE effect of what you’re chasing UNLESS they baked that functionality into the game’s baseline.
That is to say, you are making an INTUITIVE ask, but you lack the understanding as to WHY that ask does the opposite of what you assume it would do, and if the GAME were to address that counterintuitive outcome, then you would find the game in a position where the functionality you seek to remove is baked in.
But there is effectively no difference between Blizzard baking the functionality directly into the game versus permitting the functionality to exist by extending the game.
In both cases, the GAME is PERMITTING the functionality AND even exposing stuff to encourage it.
Thus, it is NOT cheating
You choosing to play a competitive lane without using the tools available to you does NOT make those who do so into cheaters.
In real life, that would be akin to you and your friend running track but you calling them a cheater because they chose better fitting shoes and/or wore a more comfortable jersey. It isn’t the little conveniences that are going to make your friend outrun you, it’s the fact your friend is practicing while you’re just blaming their attire that holds you back.
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you mean like macros and addons that increase your ability to react in a timely manner? intersting.