It’s not too late, but they won’t.
As they mentioned in the “Discussion” they posted this morning, they made a blue post- and that’s that.
Besides, why would they roll back a huge money grab?
Because 90% of the player-base said it’s a horrible thing?
That’s never stopped them from screwing the game up before…
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Everyone’s out here saying “we want classic plus!!” And when they start adding modern features to the current systems they say “nooo muh classic experience is ruined”.
WoW Token is a Classic–, not Classic+ feature.
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If you don’t like it. Don’t use it? It’s been in retail a while and I have never purchased one a single time. Somehow still manage to play the game.
Good for you.
It ruins the economy by making everything cost more due to the easy access to gold. This is why in retail it costs you thousands of gold to pay for consumes for raid each week.
Overnight consumes jumped up 200% in price.
You can blame the token for this.
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Sounds like the players have no self control to me. Everyone is flipping about these tokens and yet somehow it’s surging the economy. if everyone hates it, then why are they being purchased ?
Because Easy Buttons are easy. If they’re right in your face and make it so that you don’t need to use 3 hours of your day every day forever to get the same value in 5 minutes with a credit card swipe with absolutely no risk, people are going to do it.
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The reality is the bots and sellers probably make back the cost of a new account and boost within minutes. So perma banning a bot, like you said, does nothing because they’re still making net profit. You have to hit the buyers, not the sellers to make it stop.
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I suppose, it is only a game to me. It’s the same as the day before they added some token was. If something in the AH is too pricey, I don’t buy it. And if they add something to a store I won’t be purchasing, i ignore it.
As a raider clearing Ulduar 25 HMs every week and running 4-5 10+25 man Ulduars on Alts every week, I can tell you the impact from the increase in consumable (as well as future material cost due to the reduced bot presence in the open world grinding herbs / ore), the cost will only continue to go up. Players that rely entirely on dailies to make ends meet for raid each week will have to do more dailies and spend more time than they would before… or contribute to the problem by buying a WoW Token and removing themselves from the open world entirely. (Doing dailies, these players generally would hit up nearby nodes to increase their gold pull each day.)
Less people out in the world from this alone means less materials on the AH. This further contributes to the price increase by making resources less plentiful. Less Supply = More Expensive.
So even though these players will now have 7-8k gold, they inflated cost of everything else makes the actual value of that gold about half of its original value. “3 is the new 8!”
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lol everyone wants a classic+, no one wants Classic Retail+.
Classic+ simply means new content and features for classic that are aligned with the philosophy of classic. Crap like wow token are features that destroyed the game through years. The whole idea of Classic was to get away from features like that.
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So titan rune dungeons = Good
Optional currency token = bad
I do think I’m starting understand the concept here. They added the additional classic realms so far for Classic era, TBC and, wrath all without increasing the cost of a sub. I think that’s pretty cool. I’m no blizzard champion but I do think it’s funny watching heads spin when they try and net a little money that was being sucked up by third party gold distributors, for the game they spent dev time on and literally didn’t charge anything extra for.
Personally I hate the titan rune dungeons and dislike the fact that Blizzard added them in the first place.
I just don’t complain about it on the forums.
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Down to 6800 gold on Dadseeker.
That’ll show those RMT sites, yea, be 4 times as expensive than they are.
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Bobby is just a metaphor for corporate greed.
Not according to the terms of service.
From Part 9 Section B of their end user license agreement
Blizzard may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Platform or Accounts without notice or liability.
Benediction has been locked for half a year, through multiple bot ban waves, yet the bots are still wasting space lvling and farming nodes all over the place. Can check for yourself with very little effort if you’re able to access the server. You claim you ban bots, yet you can’t even keep a locked server under control?
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Lets summaries your post.
you did not want to do WoW token because gold was important and Wow token is not “Classic”
Well gold is still important it is used to do things like get BoE upgrades from the AH, buy new Crafted gear either item or mats from the AH, it is used to level proffesion skills to get the latest bonus and the optimal one can change patch by patch, it is used to pick up new items at the start of a patch to increase your power like the new epic gems coming out next phase and it is the currency used to gear your alts even if you are in a guild for your main as GDKP runs are the only pug runs that actually clear content.
and WoW token is still not “Classic”
Then you agree that it is not what you want to do from a design perspective and state that the only reason you are adding it is to prevent RMT.
Adding this token will not stop RMT they will continue to sell gold at a more compeditive price than the wow token. Adding the token just increases the RMT by adding a method that players can use with no fear of being banned which will just increase the number of buyers.
If you do not think this is true just check retail wow.
They you say that we say “Just ban the bots” and argue that you have been trying to.
First we have not been saying “Just ban the bots” we have been saying BAN THE BUYERS as well. I am yet to hear of any buyer getting more than a 3 day ban. If you permamantly ban buys the the demand for RMT would be drasticaly reduced and there would be way less bots to ban and way less people trying to find a way around your bot detection tools.
Second I find it hard to believe that you are doing all you to ban bots when I can find then as a player and you allow them do do thing like yell out their website to go to in SW for months at a time (while i would personaly report then every minuet when they spam it for over an hour straight) or allow them to send advertising mail with their website in it to all my characters for year.
Then you point out that you will never completely beat “bots” or RMT when it is profitable for the sellers.
I agree with you on this point. This just means that you need to make it unprofitable for the sellers. This can be done in many ways…
Reducing the amount of buyers, by banning buyers.
Increasing the amout of time before a bot is profitable to run, removing lvl boosts and deathknights without a high lvl character. This gives you more time to detect a bot before it generates $15 worth of gold to cover the sub.
Have your detection system flag account that are suspected bots that do not trigger an autoban for human review and have humans review reports from players.
Then you say that becuse you can not win the war on bots (which many of us do not think you have tried to win for the reasons above) you will introduce the WoW token to mitigate its impact on the game.
As a player that has a main in a guild and want to be able to run alts in pug runs this increases the impact of RMT on me by increasing the number of buyers that will increase the price of new BoE and crafted gear making it harder for me to get, creating more “Whales” that get BiS gear from GDKP runs quickly making it harder to parse on my main and making gearing my alts in pug runs (which are all GDKP if you actually want to kill any bosses) cost more.
Then you say that regular players will not be tempted to by the token and it will have no impact on them.
It will have a negative impact on them (see above) and as such they will be tempted to buy it.
Any what is your point here no one wants to buy this so we will add it to the store?
Finaly you say that our lack of trust that you have actually be trying to ban bots is just because you have not been reporting what you have been doing.
This could be true as you have not beed telling us what you have been doing, but I still doubt that you are actually trying for the reasons above.
I would love to see some visibility of what you are doing as a genunie effort to ban bots would definetly increase my opinon of Blizzard as a company.
In summary you say that RMT is a problem in the game so your solution is to add RMT to the game to increase the pool of buyers to people who were not doing it as it could result in a small ban. This is the dumbest logic I have seen a company use in a while.
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Please No.
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Remeber #nochanges ?
They already confirmed that next Season of Mastery classic will be called differently, well we can now be 99% sure it will be called the Season of Swiping.
You can buy boost to 60, your prebis and consumables is part of the epic bundle. The only thing they are figuring out at this point is what kind of pet the next 6month sub gets.
Dont worry they will just release this without any prio warning.
Absolute joke of a company.
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I quit playing classic months ago (and quit retail years ago) when the bots got so ridiculous and I couldn’t server transfer, but I like to log into forums occasionally to see what’s going on in the game. I was an idiot and gave Blizz my money for a year’s sub (I know, I know).
I can’t believe what I’m reading right now. They ruined every single thing about Classic/TBC and Wrath that they could. It is nothing but a slightly dialed back retail. I am so glad I quit but this makes me sad nonetheless.
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