if you truely want to get rid of the money farms, just get rid of the money! make everything “free” based on your play. If there is no money, there is no need to farm it/sell it.
Also… add RDF already, so dumb that its not in the game yet, my 22 co-workers got all excited to play wrath and found out there was no rdf so they quit the first month and here i am stuck holding the year sub bag… bag of poo, at least d4 comes out next week and I probably will be logging in to wow even less, only holding out for the 2 more year events to unlock the purple/pink drake mount thing.
since you said you are reading this…
Why dont you guys add the following…
2 classic servers (locked) make 1 rdf and 1 non-rdf (basically all the expansions to legion)
2 tbc servers (locked)
2 wotlk
2 cata
2 mop
all the way to legion
leave the xpacs locked to never progress (release them on the final state of they were before the next expansion).
drop the mic BOOM (You dont even have to do maintances/patches/fixes since the last version of the xpac was probably the best state of the game)… you make all of your customers happy since they CAN NOT complain about anything, 1 server each xpac as RDF and 1 not, people can play what they want and love it.
oh yea, so you guys can get your “greed” on, you can open up character xfers from xpac to xpac as long as they stay on the same realm type (rdf or non-rdf).
You’re welcome for me saving blizzard with that awesome idea. Ill take my royalities check payable to cash.
Thanks!
Which is why we didn’t get RDF. But you add the WoW token? So what’s the go-to excuse for not having RDF now? Better yet, how can you possibly justify putting something in game that didn’t even EXIST in wrath ANYWHERE (druid glyph, that no one asked for) and STILL not put in the dungeon tool that a lot of people ask for.
I’m going to ride this expansion out because it was my favorite, but I already don’t like the direction “classic” is taking. And I think this will be my last expansion. Which isn’t a threat, just letting the community managers know how their decisions are affecting at least this player. And probably others.
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You guys created the problem(s) and make claims of “all we do”… actually communication would an awesome 1st baby step for big issues, including RDF. Which would mitigate some of the ill will. As you guys continue to pump retail feature after retail feature into a classic game, many just wanted to experience again, before the hatched job it is now.
Thanks
Concerned Customer
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With this logic, cops should start selling drugs.
Who was pressuring you to make this decision from the beginning, and why are you trying to convince us that anything else is at fault? This has nothing to do with improving the health of the game.
STOP LYING TO US.
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I’m with my guild until the end of Wrath but this is the nail in the coffin for why I am not continuing with anything that might come after.
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Which games you know permantly bans gold buyers in masses and have legal representation in several countries?
You need pretty good proof, which is not really easily obtainable. Boting however is pretty easy, if blizzard do in fact ban 5k accounts per day they need to do it a lot faster lmao.
I always find it funny how US law works lol, basically almost no consumer protection.
I can literally sue blizzard and accuse them and even if i lose i dont have to pay a dime for their lawyers.
You guys should go have dinner with Jagex and the OSRS team - could learn a lot from them and maybe even save the game you continuously ruin out of pure greed. What a shame your company has become. All that big blue post really says is “we’re lazy, greedy, and simply don’t care.”
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@Kaivax
Regarding the topic of communications, I think it would be a great idea to add one of two things, or both:
- An in-game reply when our reports are followed up on. This could be something as simple as an auto reply initially, then a few days later when action is taken “Regarding the report that you made on May 25: actions have been taken.”
- The other suggestion I have is give just a little more detail with this and perhaps a monthly report?:
- Total Exploitative Battle.net Account Closures: 248,105
- Total Exploitative World of Warcraft Account Closures: 73,057
" - 50,000 of these account closures were from player made reports in-game"
Seeing the actual data and numbers associated with our efforts to help, will validate our efforts and increase our willingness to assist Blizzard.
Side note, all of the negative talk regarding the WoW Token seems unnecessary to me. Adding the WoW Token does literally nothing negative to the game. It lets Blizzard collect some of that RMT and it lets the players farm gold for Sub time. It won’t take away bots and it won’t change the in-game market a whole lot either. Of course the market will fluctuate, but if folks are worried about players bringing hundreds of thousands of gold to GDKPs…news flash they already bring that and the WoW Token isn’t going to change that.
Just ban the buyers instead of the bots. Bots take all of 10 mins to get a new account up and running and boosted, banning them is a waste of your time, ban the people buying gold FFS
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So now that we are well past #somechanges
when we do away with this cruddy heroic+ and DFinder that doesn’t work and get back to the original DF that actually supported new players and leveling alts.
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And really how hard is it to ban someone for a sudden influx of gold.
You should easily be able to look at the mask of a players typical IP address and be able to determine if gold is coming from out an outside source.
If you would literally put an upper cap on gold influx through methods of transfer (trade,mail,ah) you’ll never conquer bots. If you did…yes there’d be some sore player angry they couldn’t get 10k for a BOE anymore but at least you’d solve the RMT dilemna.
Woul also be healthier for the game. You’ve already f’ed over new players with H+ system and no DF might as well make them possiible to afford the BOE drops to gear up.
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I appreciate the communication. However, this post seems to intentionally side step why people want bots banned. To hinder real money trading. So no, the wow token doesn’t mitigate bots at all. It’s not a tool against bots because it doesn’t do anything to mitigate the reason people don’t want bots. It just shifts profits to Blizzard. It fights nothing. Whether this is reasonable or not is a separate discussion. But to imply the wow token is a tool against bots is completely disingenuous.
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Who cares? The point is Blizzard has the resources and they refuse to do it because Bobby doesn’t want some pathetic peasant’s silver yacht. He wants a golden yacht.
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No, you absolutely do not need good proof. Blizzard can ban you because the wind blew east if they want. It’s their game.
And yes, the evidence is incredibly easy to obtain. If they keep chat logs I guarantee they keep records of trade and auction transactions. Someone with half a brain could figure out who is buying gold if they had the data available to them.
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Sure you can sue them. But you will have to pay your lawyers. And you won’t win.
You’re right though, we need lawsuit reform in the US.
You do realise this dude prolly have no idea what tha hell is going on with wow right lol he gets his share one way or another. How people gonna produce it i beleive is not of his cocnern provided people do so.
To permaban for gold buying? Yes, you kinda do.
You are right about the game’s logs but lets face it people engotiate boosts and gold buying in discord frequently lol.
As a matter of fact i can sue and use state’s lawyers but you’d prolly prefer a private one if you want it fast.
Thanks for posting this Kaivax. I’m not much of a forum regular, more a YouTube- and Discord-type. But I felt it was important to reach beyond my normal means of commenting on this to extend my hopes for additional action on this by Blizzard.
I don’t think it’s too late to remove the WoW Token from the Shop on Wrath Classic. I’d hope that it is viewed as a mistake after seeing the backlash that you’ve been inundated with. I understand the reason you’ve given for it’s introduction. With respect, it would mean more to me as a player to see that the voice of the community was heard and immediately acted upon by removing it from US realms and that other means of combatting RMT and account vulnerabilities be implemented. This is a sticking point for my friends who play and is putting my chances to see us play through the end of Wrath Classic at risk.
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If Blizz cared about the community, this would never have been implemented. The tokens are about bottom line and in business that is all that matters. They WILL NEVER remove tokens, they have already sniffed the greenbacks from their release. I hate it. I love the game, but it is getting harder to stomach the decisions being implemented.
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Absolutely flawed logic. The wording of this essay screams “I know I am wrong, but I am striving to create excuses”.
“illicit RMT” ?? It was just “RMT” till a couple of weeks ago. Now we have
“illicit RMT” vs “legit RMT”??? This is ridiculous.
There is nothing as “legit RMT”. RMT is cheating. It absolutely doesn’t matter if the gold is coming from xyz gold seller or Blizzard. It’s still RMT. Players shouldn’t be able to buy things with real money. Everything you gain after log in should be gained by an in-game activity.
“If you can’t beat them join them” that’s what you said in that essay indirectly. Why are you so afraid of saying it directly?? Because you know it’s a flawed logic. Extremely poor poor, that you don’t even dare mentioning it directly.
So what should a government do if they are struggling to fight the crime of murder? With your faulty logic and defective reasoning, they should join the criminals and legalize murder. And tell the criminals they can come to the government and buy “Murder service”; Don’t kill people yourself or don’t hire someone to do it for you, we wanna make it easy for you so we we kill them for you. That’s your solution to fight a crime. That’s how you govern your society.
It’s shameful to see this game being torn apart limb by limb and tooth by tooth for the 2nd time in it’s history by people with such a poor logic and flawed reasoning that are unfortunately the heir to the great team of designers that created this beautiful game for us years ago.
Not only disappointing but also disrespecting…
I read it and wrote a feedback. Now come out and answer it…
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Blizzard I’m all for bring back dungeon finder but bringing the token out is where we cross the line.
And this isn’t what we wanted!! This is what we wanted.
Pro on what we wanted: removed gdkp, removed bots, removed people who use shady third party site for quick gold.
Con on what we actually got: wow token, more botting, more people will likely do gdkp to spam dungeon for gold, and most likely people will leave wotlk and go back to classic.
I mean come on blizzard it not that hard to see the error in this with token…
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