You were better off adding random dungeon finder than the wow token to be honest Kaivax, I hope that with the token that it doesn’t kill wrath classic.
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This is probably not going to age well.
I hate to break it to you but it will eventually be added to Classic era in matter of time.
In reality Activision Blizzard has always cared about profits and will still care about them, no matter how hard you tell them that you don’t like microtransaction. I dont know if you saw the writing on the wall with Diablo Immoral and recently Overwatch “2”.
TLDR:
They don’t care about feedback at all, they refuse to put any resources into the real problems, have hyperfixated on bots even though you can walk to the same spots in retail and classic and find the same bots doing the same farm.
They don’t care about the community, or what we have to say about it. They want money, and this blue post is them admitting it.
Shove it blizz.
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“The players will do everything in their power to exploit the systems you give them. It’s up to us as developers to design and maintain an ecosystem to encourage healthy gameplay” ~WoW diary
Wish we still had those devs. You can’t blame the players when it’s the dev’s fault for doing nothing.
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@Kaivax
Not to rain on your parade but the best thing for players to do right now on NA would be spend $20 on botted gold from gold sellers and use that to buy 3 wow tokens and enjoy 3 months game time of which 3 days might be suspended based on what i’ve seen of blizz dealing with gold buyers.
$25 off the regular $15/month price.
Gold sellers must be laughing at you.
$20 Wow token on NA <7k gold
Gold sellers at $20 for 20k+
Hire some old school GMs and mods and get a grip. Ideally include people who can do math in your hiring!
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On the flip side tokens are only generated when a player buys one. Even though you’re only paying 9$ for the sub via 3rd party gold blizzard is still getting 20$ instead of the 15$.
You win out which is absolutely hilarious but blizzard is still laughing all the way to the bank
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I just felt like providing a musical interlude that made me think of the current wowtoken situation for some reason. See you in ToC.
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Well that’s just a brazen lie. All you have to do is cap gold at a small amount and force everyone into a micro economy.
All you’ve done now is ensure that everyone runs around with capped gold and the bots keep selling AH mats.
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I’m not trying to downplay the massive problem of slimy people out there illegally selling RMT and ruining the game world. Perhaps having an official system somewhat combats it. It’s just that many of us (maybe fewer than I think if it’s still a problem) came back to this game to escape it. I don’t know. Maybe do it just to deal with the absolute chaos that is humanity.
Too callous. Did you even read the post? If players would just stop buying illegal gold this post likely wouldn’t exist in the Classic forum. Be mad at the people not following the rules. They keep sending over and over real money to thieves for in-game gold. This is not some light problem. Offering players legit RMT resolves a ton of this issue in a way no other preventative measure can. I don’t want it here either but I absolutely understand the monumental effort and energy wasted on combating this.
What gets me is how Kaivax’s statement here is devoid of any intelligent reasoning.
“a) Gold selling is a bad thing.”
“b) We can’t stop them, so now we’re selling gold too.”
How you get from a) to b) is beyond me. I’m flabbergasted.
“There are people setting fire to houses in the city.”
“We can’t stop them, so now we’re setting fire to houses in the city too.”
Absolutely unfathomable that someone would allow themselves to say and represent these statements…
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Feedback: Pay to win sucks. Tokens do not belong in WOTLK. Despite all your bloviating, it smells just like a cash grab by Blizzard.
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After reading this I’ve come to realize that many of the conveniences we got over the years was, in part, to combat the growing 3rd party community that profits off this game and community. Shared nodes and tags for example allowed regular to players to actually farm at their leisure.
The 3rd party sellers have grown along side with the gaming community. They are big and people are willing to give them money for their service. It’s a growth cycle that will do what ever they can to keep growing. Players, as a whole, have to stop feeding them.
It’s weird to me. They buy a game but then pay other people to play for them. But they have a lot of cash and are willing to spend it. As long as there are people who are willing to spend extra money there will be 3rd parties providing a service. In turn players will be angry with blizzard and blizzard will have a headache.
The only way to stop the third parties, from blizzards design perspective, is to crub the player desire to seek them out in the first place. Thus you have the current gaming culture war.
Corporate greed may play a role in this decision but so does players who are willing to burn their money.
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First they came for the random dungeon finder, and I did not speak out—because I was not dependent on RDF.
Then they came for the class changes, and I did not speak out—because I was not playing those classes.
Then they came for the WoW Token, and I did not speak out—because I was not a gold buyer.
Then they came for era—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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throw some apathetic numbers around, tell me we do thing behind closed doors and tell you they want to make money off tokens and justify it away because we don’t want to actually fix the problem. gaslighting the heck out of everyone. they are nailing the coffins in for classic, milking it for all its worth.
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There’s nothing more gratifying than banning a normal account for a World of Warcraft player
The developers should of waited to introduce the wow token (if at all), until the next expansion of wrath, but it appears that they were too concerned about attrition rates (fast growing and/or declining), so they decided to get some P2W skin in the game before it was too late. Trouble is, you can’t please everyone, however that’s exactly what the wow token essentially does.
The goal in wow is to have fun online with your friends/guildies, while earning your keep along the way via raiding, dungeons, pvp, larping, whatever floats your boat. PvE’rs, PvP’rs, and even RP’rs all have different mindsets when it comes to playing in terms of satisfaction, and thats great. We are all individuals in an awesome virtual world melting pot. However, with the massive over supply of gold now in the economy, auction houses are severely impacted and time commitment is no longer a factor (concerning the value of gold), which impacts entire wow communities along the way.
Whether you are a HC raider, dungeon crawler, pvper, or rp enthusiast, the end game in a nutshell (for the devs/pubs) is revenues - operating costs = profits. Plain and simple. Remember that splash screen during loading times that reminded a person to have fun in wow with your virtual friends, but to also remember to go out into the sunlight with IRL friends? Haha.
Buying gold now from the devs (excuse me tokens), now helps simplify the concept of time by giving people the option of saving themselves from the currency grind. Remember, with gamification, its all the same. Microtransations, loot boxes, P2W, F2P, no matter what. In the end though, who really wins, the consumers, or the creators? Majority of the time it’s the latter…
Have a moby dick whale of a time ladies and gentlemen! Just try to avoid becoming a vast tub of lard.
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that is epic
Saw this coming. Gold buying and selling is absolutely out of control in Classic. If they had issued a ban for every gold buyer I met in Classic BC WoW, they’d have lost a good half of their players.
What is pathetic is how Blizzard didn’t see this coming. They have zero hindsight or foresight. Makes me worry about the future of all of their games. Blizzard is big on selling lies lately.
Hey since it’s only Sort of Classic would you mind selling character boosts? The leveling process is horribly boring and arduous in 2023. Mind numbingly bad.
I love these boomer devs realizing that games don’t exist in a vacuum and Classic doesn’t work without changes to be honest. It validates everything I’ve ever said about them doing this. People laughed when I said the token was a “when” not an “if” yet – here we are.
Your failure to understand the evolving nature of the gold market and resolving it with the Token is really uncomfortable neo-Blizzard behavior. This rationale post is hilariously out of touch with the community.
A simple “we’re sorry we couldn’t make the game you wanted” would have sufficed. Ybarra’s Blizzard forgot the utility and importance of a brief well-articulated apology.
No, no it’s totally cool we know it’s Blizzard’s first MMORPG.
…but really this is sad. Get it together Blizzard, you’re about the lose your most diehard fans.
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I just resubbed a few days ago actually after taking a few months break due to the frustration of bots in the BG’s. After playing a lot this Warsong weekend, I can say that the bot situation is greatly improved. Perhaps Blizz just needed to keep at it with wave after wave of bot banning. Whatever the case, Blizz seems to have gotten the upper hand. With that being said, there is no need for the token now that the bot situation is contained to some degree.