Thoughts on WoW Token in Wrath Classic

[Jeeterz-sulfuras]

@Faptap-faerlina

Ever heard of butterfly effect?

Yes.

@Faptap-faerlina

Yes lets ban some MT who bought gold so their raid can get screwed over on the next reset, or even better, the current reset.

Hey they should have thought of their guild before swiping to win.

@Faptap-faerlina

Yes lets ban some MT who bought gold so their raid can get screwed over on the next reset, or even better, the current reset.

Did you mess up a copy paste or do you just like repeating yourself? Again. They should have thought of that before they broke the rules.

Breaking rules have consequences. That’s the entire point. To make you stop and consider that butterfly effect before you commit to something that causes that butterfly effect.

@Faptap-faerlina

now you gona wait 2 hours to fill that spot

Yes. Whole community is already fighting the roster boss as is. Guess you need to recruit a deeper bench.

@Faptap-faerlina

They either quit the game entirely because they found something else to do,

Good. That’s a few more bots that will leave right along with them. That’s the whole point. To get rid of the cheaters and the bots. Don’t want it to happen? Don’t swipe to win!

@Faptap-faerlina

It’s a video game in the end of the day, nobody is here to follow your stupid rules to make their life more difficult.

There’s not a developer on this planet that shares this sentiment.

@Faptap-faerlina

Not to mention Blizzard is the most analistic video game company there is, period. “we gona take your subscription money and stop you from using our service, because your account doesn’t belong to you.”

Are you drunk?

@Faptap-faerlina

Can you imagine if Gaben just wipes out your steam inventory one day just for fun?

Nice strawman. Are you high?

@Faptap-faerlina

Enough with the trash talk,

Oh no. You got me started now. You sound like you’re drunk, high, or unfit to stand trial in a court of law.

@Faptap-faerlina

WOW token is a good implement,

Maybe for those who want to cheapen and shorten their experience or the botters making bank off it. Most regular players think it’s crap.

@Faptap-faerlina

Chronoboon Displacer from vanilla, people only got to use it for like 5 weeks after playing hide and seek with world buffs for a 1 year, you already lost enough players. I

Bro. It’s 2023. What the hell are you on about here?

@Faptap-faerlina

And no, they are not going to hire random narcissistic Ahole from the forums to “fix” their game so they can lose more money

Oh were you applying to work for blizz? What caught your attention the Cosby suite or the breast milk?

[Faptap-faerlina]

Yes you are right, they never did consider if the player is a crucial part of the bigger group or just a loner, that’s why the player base is going down.
They don’t care about the players individually, but guess what? One individual connects to another, and another and forms up for groups and social connections.
If TOS is bad and hurting the game then isn’t it more detrimental to enforce it?

[Faptap-faerlina]

I’m sorry to hear about what happened to your MT, what he did was not wrong, exchanging real money for in game currency.
Guess what, people still buy gold regardless what happened to your MT. Buying gold is not even remotely close to being a cheater. How is that cheating? If that is considered cheating then everyone who is buying wow token is a cheater, everyone who is selling wow token is a cheater.
Grow the f up plz.

[Miyukin-pagle]

Banning people for participating in activities that make the game worse for everybody else is not what causes the player base to go down… /facepalm

[Deunan-atiesh]

Just stop trying to post justifications after the fact. You blues always give us the South Park BP “We’re sorry, we’re SOOOO sorry” and then repeat and repeat and repeat.

Might as well just do things now, nobody trusts you people anymore and nobody believes you when you make these posts after the fact.

Delete your post - it means nothing and says nothing.
Delete you pillars - these meant nothing day one, they mean even less now
Delete your previous posts promising transparency - They held no weight then, somehow hold less weight now.

Save us your “we tried not to do this SOOO HARD but we did anyway” sympathy fishing. Nobody buys it.

[Matsuei-area-52]

@Kaivax

• In Vanilla WoW, the scarcity of gold is a major factor in how you approach your journey in Azeroth. From saving to get your first mount at 40, to picking and choosing which skills you wanted to learn while leveling so you could afford a new weapon or piece of armor. Later on at level 60, some form of time investment is needed to “maintain” a character in an ecosystem where flasks, resistance potions, and elixirs are such a major part of the game, and resources are scarce and highly contested. This was true all the way through Burning Crusade, where potions and flasks could represent a significant weekly expense and the resources required to make them were still quite difficult to obtain.
• It just didn’t feel “Classic”. It felt jarring, out of place, and was antithetical to what most of us wanted to relive about those early years of WoW. .

– The WoW Classic Team

YOU GUYS IMPLEMENTED LEVEL BOOST. You created a problem for profit and now this is your lame excuse for trying to fix a problem you created? Another problem for profit? The community isn’t as dumb as you must think we are. As long as money is coming in, you guys really don’t care. Bots wouldn’t be as rampant if you could pay for an almost max level toon. You’re going to kill your own game and then blame the community for your screw up.

$7.528B made in one year. Don’t have the resources? LOL

[Jeeterz-sulfuras]

@Faptap-faerlina

Buying gold is not even remotely close to being a cheater.

In s player driven economy where gold is supposed to be scarce it is definitely cheating.
If gold wasn’t meant to be scarce starter zones mobs would do gold instead of copper.
Riding in classic wouldn’t have been such a milestone if gold wasn’t supposed to be scarce.

Yup. I figured it out. You’re not competent to stand trial.

[Jethiás-whitemane]

Hey Faptap,

I get where you are coming from because it’s not necessarily cheating, but buying gold is against TOS. Let’s say 5% of the people are buying gold without the WoW token, this income is still generated by players in the player economy. That’s a smaller percentage of people buying gold since it’s a deterrent. Them releasing the WoW token injects gold into the game outside of the player economy and puts a real dollar amount on everything in the game, which significantly alters the game. Regardless of people buying gold is not a good excuse to have be allowed to do this. This is not what classic was intended for. This is an extreme example, but for an analogy this is Blizzards way of saying “Oh some people are stealing? Let’s allow everyone to get everything for free” because this is easier for them to do instead of taking accountability to police and enforce rules on the server. This impacts the integrity of the game and makes everything pay to win for anybody.

[Tarawa-area-52 (Tarawa)]

Anyone who did not see the WoW token coming was choosing to live in a delusional world. Blizzard brought back Classic, TBC, Wrath, and soon Hardcore Servers to make money off the people who wanted to play the content. Now that the content has been beaten to death except Wrath. It is time to put in some quality-of-life improvements in the game for those who do not want to endlessly grind for the sake of endlessly grinding. I played Wrath at least 22 times over through alts. I ground out every copper, silver, and gold to be able to ride and fly. I should not have to relive the part of the game I hated the most. I want to level and enjoy the content without the pressure of struggling to purchase talents, change talents, buy riding, or fly. Now that the token is part of the content. I can level and have fun!

[Faptap-faerlina]

thanks for trying to reply my post point by point, so here we go.

“Hey they should have thought of their guild before swiping to win.”
I never liked the idea of swiping to win, but what exactly do they win when it comes to wow when they are swiping? How about irl time which can be spent else where, work, family, friends, hobbies, those all sounded terrible right? They have to spend those time in game competing with other players, for gold, for achievements, and in game pixels.

“Did you mess up a copy paste or do you just like repeating yourself?”
I did mess up a copy pasta there you are right, i’m not very good at this forums thing especially when I’m doing work on the side.

“Yes. Whole community is already fighting the roster boss as is. Guess you need to recruit a deeper bench.”
If the whole community is fighting the roster boss then how do we beat it, perhaps by retaining as many players as possible? A deeper bench sounds nice, unless you are on the bench, watching other people playing the game you want to play.

“Good. That’s a few more bots that will leave right along with them. That’s the whole point. To get rid of the cheaters and the bots. Don’t want it to happen? Don’t swipe to win!”
what kind of logic is that, kill cancer by killing the host? hilarious.

“Are you drunk?”
No I’m not drunk, but I do feel I need one right now.

“Nice strawman. Are you high?”
Thanks, I don’t get high often maybe once a month.

“Oh no. You got me started now.”
Oh no, You got me STARTED.

“Maybe for those who want to cheapen and shorten their experience or the botters making bank off it. Most regular players think it’s crap.”
Well guess what, it’s not crap, and it’s here, and I think it’s funny you disagreeing with me the entire time whether I be on the side of blizzard or not, it’s all about you and the botters.

“Oh were you applying to work for blizz?”
ummm not I was not trying to apply to work for blizz, I have a job, thanks for asking, but I did recall seeing this:
“You’re looking at this all wrong. Hell hire me. I’ll fix this problem over night! Remotely even!”
which was the main reason I posted what I posted.

[Jeeterz-sulfuras]

Oh boy. You’re really bad at this board warrior stuff.

@Faptap-faerlina

thanks for trying to reply my post point by point,

Yea. That’s called a conversation.

@Faptap-faerlina

but what exactly do they win when it comes to wow when they are swiping?

You already know if you didn’t your wouldn’t be defending it because there’s really nothing to defend. I’ve already explained to you why the game design made good scarce.

@Faptap-faerlina

How about irl time which can be spent else where, work, family, friends, hobbies, those all sounded terrible right? They have to spend those time in game competing with other players, for gold, for achievements, and in game pixels.

Yup and that’s life. It’s like that with work, school, and all other hobbies. That’s on you to find that balance.

@Faptap-faerlina

I did mess up a copy pasta there you are right, i’m not very good at this forums thing especially when I’m doing work on the side.

We’ve all done it homie. It happens. There’s an article posted in the forums that will walk you through some of its features. Think it’s still at the top of general.

I have to go. Got a work situation. I’ll finish this later

[Archamon-kirtonos]

Yes, but have considered maybe just, not putting the wow token in Classic, and hiring like some dude minimum wage to just rightclick report all the DKs and Mages in the hotspot dungeons named various forms of “ouwebgftwyh” and “euafyqgbfb” or even “asdfehugey” ? Proactively attempting to stop the bot farmers and gold sellers instead of contributing further to the gold inflation, enabling pay to win practices? I mean Bobby wouldn’t get another solid gold Humvee, but the customers might be happier.

[Vandares-dalaran]

RDF when ??

[Alsharptusk-fairbanks]

@Kaivax

We posted some weeks ago that we banned over 120,000 malicious accounts in World of Warcraft alone in a large wave

@Kaivax

Using just the past two weeks as an example, here are the actions our GSO team have taken:

• Total Exploitative Battle.net Account Closures: 248,105
• Total Exploitative World of Warcraft Account Closures: 73,057

So 73,000 or 248,000 bans is the norm and you make an announcement for 120,000? Weird…

Let’s not pretend you guys do everything in your power to stop RMT. If you did people wouldn’t RMT. If you can’t stop the bots then you can stop the demand. Start suspending accounts that buy gold. Start with 48 hours for first offense, a week for a second offense, month for third etc… Then send out an official Blizzard message to everyone in their guild via in-game mail letting the guild know that they were suspended for RMT. People will stop REAL QUICK.

But no… Bobby needs his yacht.

[Mithrândir-atiesh]

It’s cheating because WOTLK still has Master Loot unlike Retail wow. It’s cheating because one of the main metrics for “winning” in a game like wow is having the most BIS gear, which improves all aspects of the game including pvp and clearing pve content more easily.

A previously “taboo” practice of buying gold with RL money is now officially endorsed by the game developer, in an environment where a single player with deep pockets (and imo questionable real-life spending habits) can vacuum up all the gear they want by swiping a card. How is that NOT cheating?

[Faptap-faerlina]

Hey man thanks for replying to my post and trying to make a point in a polite manner.

I personally think blizzard TOS is awful, they are not here to serve the players, they take player’s money and cover their own back, they should change and remove some of the content in the TOS.
Now with the release of wow token, being a player who’s losing interests and ready to stop playing the game, all of sudden they can play the game for free by paying in game currency, it’s a small incentive. I imagine more player would be willing to come back when next phase hits knowing they don’t have to hook up a credit card any more, especially if they have overwhelming amount of gold and multiple accounts. Is that really a bad thing?

Personally I think cheating pvp is a lot worse, using AHK.

[Faptap-faerlina]

Hey man I understand where you are coming from, I used to think the same way.

But is loot council, DKP or rest of the loot system better? Where you can only get imaginary points that can only be used in the single raiding environment.

Now people who goes to gdkp raids can buy game time and essentially play the game for free, I don’t think that’s a bad thing at all. Killing bots is not the best solution for player retention, after all if there are no players playing there would be no game.

[Cryodin-benediction]

I mean if Bobby would stop needing to do things like jet off to Epstein Island, perhaps you guys could reel in your greed and focus on making good games, again?

[Ôwns-proudmoore (Ôwns)]

And your reaction when they ban GDKPs and there is just as much RMT in the game?

Yeah punish legitimate players enjoying a loot system because of your RMT paranoia.

Ban the auction house
Ban arena
Ban trading with other players

Burn it all to the ground cause this guy doesnt like a loot system

[Guttler-whitemane]

@Kaivax

• Total Exploitative Battle.net Account Closures: 248,105
• Total Exploitative World of Warcraft Account Closures: 73,057

It’s a little suspicious that neither of those numbers is specific to Classic WoW and the reason is left vague as well. Does that mean that these numbers aren’t necessary just bots and hacked accounts?

This post seems more like a PR post to improve visibility around what Blizz does meanwhile showing some statistics that have nothing to do with the topic of the post.

You can’t fool me anymore, Blizz.