Thoughts on why DM got moved up?

Dire Maul got pushed up for a couple reasons

  1. Caster Itemization was terrible early on in Vanilla. Dire Maul was released to provide a source of better itemized casting gear. By 1.12 the itemization had long been resolved with updated stats on gear. This means that currently every dungeon is dropping the 1.12 stated items but there is no Dire Maul so there is a significant source of caster items missing from overall loot tables.

  2. 90% of all servers released during Classic were released post-Dire Maul

  3. EU servers only had 30 days from launch to Dire Maul release, this is right on schedule for anyone that played in the EU back in 2005.

  4. Dire Maul is not a catch up mechanic, it is a side grade dungeon intended to fill gaps in poorly itemized gear pre-1.5.

I mean most people don’t even realize that +Spell Damage wasn’t even a thing on gear when WoW launched and how crappy any caster class had it for drops.

Dire Maul was filler dungeon to bridge a poorly itemized launch.

edit: Dire Maul should have been included in Phase 1 Launch not Phase 2. It makes no sense to leave it to phase 2 and people complaining about it have no idea what they’re talking about.

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Eh it just means we don’t have to bother with it, also Dire Maul means Doomguard
:chess_pawn:

Yes and blizzard never said they would be following vanilla’s release schedule for anything. So i’m still not sure where you’re getting the idea anything was moved up.

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And doomguard means lots of entertainment in the Horde’s starter zone on my server. Kek.

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They did come out with a long post and explanation about what was coming out and in what phase…
Point of fact 1:Blizz said in phase 2…
Point of fact 2: Blizz is releasing it before phase 2

Conversation over… mic drop

And? Blizzard has always said they would be releasing content on a dynamic schedule. That they moved DM up a little is hardly out of line with that.

Mic drop.

What are you even talking about? I do love when a forum warrior decides to jump into a discussion and not even read what is going on…

I’ll give you a quick recap since it is clear you would rather run off at the mouth about something you have no clue about instead of read what I was responding too…

Nightshine said he does not buy that the release of DM was sooner than expected…
I pointed out that the facts are completely in opposition to that statement.

I do love how you tried to mock me with my own mic drop moment… I guess that was your Spartacus moment… and it failed just as miserably as Bookers did…

Maybe learn what is being discussed before making an azz out of yourself ya?

Did blizzard ever give a hard date for when phase 2 would be released? yes or no?

It’s a simple question.

The streamers were getting bored so blizz had to act

Again… moving the goalpost… this is NOT about Phase 2… Jesus dude… can you even read???
It is about DM being moved up away from Phase 2…

Its like I am talking to my brothers 3 year old in this discussion…

Sure but DM being released separately from the rest of phase 2 is a very different statement than saying DM is being released early. I could just as easily make the statement that the other parts of phase 2 are being delayed and DM is being released as scheduled.

If you don’t understand the very significant distinction between those two…

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Phase 2 is not the same thing as Patch 2. We are entering Phase 2 but doesn’t mean all the content is patched in on the same day… that has never been promised.

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It is entirely within Blizzard’s purview to change release schedules based on whatever metric they decide is relevant.

Dire Maul should have been released at Classic launch since we have 1.12 itemization already in place.

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You are right… what they said is that Dire Maul would be released in Phase 2.

This is not happening… and you’re playing semantics here. Whether Dire Maul was moved up, or Phase 2 was delayed… the point is Dire Maul is coming too early. Period.

The entire reason the phases were designed and shared was to approximate, as closely as possible, the vanilla progression. Clearly adding Dire Maul content, loot, and gold this early affects the economy and progression of the game.

Releasing it 8 weeks early… more than twice as early as vanilla, is a very large change from the previous experience.

Again… You are jumping into a discussion and changing what was being talked about just like tool boy above…

The discussion was that the guy said: “I don’t buy its sooner than expected”
I responded he was wrong and put the facts out…

Now you and the other Johnny come lately decided to jump in and change the entire discussion…

No one said anything about Blizz having a purview to change things… no duh Sherlock… but again… that has NOTHING to do with what was being discussed…

But please continue to move the goal posts and change the entire conversation of what I was talking about…

You want to change what was being talked about… fine, but do not respond to me like I have something to do with the entirely new topic you have decided to bring up…

FFS

You keep using the term “moving the goal posts” incorrectly. It’s embarrassing.

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Nah… I think I am dead on target… I was discussing one thing and you changed it to a different thing…

The metaphor works for me just fine… and it is clear you understood what I meant… funny how you can not defend the point and decided to attack how I was calling you out though isn’t it…

No, you made a statement. I replied directly to that statement with contradictory evidence.

That’s not moving any goalpost that’s just saying that you’re wrong.

You literally cry:

But but but Blizzard says…

as if that is some sort of immutable statement.

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Wow… so now I am crying… people like you are a disservice to humanity… you literally make up anything to support a outright lie…

Telling someone they are wrong and showing the post by Blliz
Phase 2

Dire Maul
Azuregos
Kazzak

Is now crying… oh and btw there bud… you never responded with “contradictory evidence” because there is none… you responded with a lie and then… moved the goal posts yet again to this crap where I was in some way crying by pointing out a fact.

Rachel Maddow is that you? Didn’t know you played WoW?

Exactly, you don’t understand what “moving the goal posts” means and you’re just kinda proving me right with your incoherent rants.

I didn’t tell you that Blizzard never said that. I told you that it is within Blizzard’s purview to change their mind.

That isn’t shifting goal posts that’s acknowledging reality.