The Apothecary Society did this and they were righteously dealt with.
Baine freely murdering Forsaken without consequences (while forcing Forsaken players to participate) repays this in full in my opinion.
no they are still around and it was on sylvanas’s orders its in the arthas book
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If you’re referencing the freeing of Derek Proudmoore I didn’t feel bad killing them as an undead character; they were perfectly fine with Sylvanas unwillingly raising a man who’d done nothing to them into undeath AND torturing/trying to brainwash him into murdering his family…you know, sort of what Arthas used to enjoy doing. Having free will and the choice to be good or evil used to be what differentiated the Forsaken from the Scourge…Sylvanas (at least in her modern writing) seemingly wanted the Forsaken to be Scourge 2.0, just with ‘her’ as the leader. No thank you.
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Nope. There’s no way of knowing that they were aware of the circumstances. As far as any of the people on that boat knew they were simply following their Warchief. Baine had no way of knowing either. It was an indiscriminate rampage except for the poor souls who ran away. Not to mention all the Horde that died as a result of Baine prolonging the war indefinitely.
Sad times.
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Here’s something to think about.
Say next build, the Alliance race descriptions get changed too.
For Humans, the description is “The humans have been through a lot. Though once shunning their revived counterparts, the humans now accept their undead kin as true family and devote themselves to protecting them.”
Do you think that accurately sums up the gist of the Humans? Just because they sometimes worked with the Forsaken under some circumstances?
Is that the most important thing about your understanding of Humans in Warcraft, such that nothing else even bears mentioning?
Did you pick Human all those years ago because you wanted to get along with the Forsaken?
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It’s not even two full datamined sentences with pretty mininal context. I’ve no idea why anyone’s getting worked up one way or another about it. Can’t really form an opinion from that information.
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I mean, the context is that it’s the description of the race that new players will see at race creation while having the entire lore of the race hidden behind the wall of the “new player experience” that 99% of them will never go back and see?
“Minimal” isn’t the same thing as “incomplete”.
They’re updating the character creation screen to a much more minimalist (and I would argue sterile and devoid of character) format with only a short blurb to replace the paragraph of description they’ve had for all these years. It’s minimal because it’s meant to be minimal, not because there’s more that we’re not seeing yet.
If their plans change, like the character creator gets rebuilt again and some races get new and longer descriptions than these ones, then we can talk about “can’t form an opinion on just this”.
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It could be place holder text for all we know. Besides most people pick their race based on the aesthetic. Nobody is going to look at the Forsaken and go ‘Yeah these must be the stalwart knights in shining armor of this setting’.
There’s nothing to do with this information outside baselessly speculating.
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It was literally changed from something else of a similar length. If anything, the other thing was a placeholder, and this is the real thing.
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Fair enough, but baselessly speculating is the only thing this subforum has going for it so… c’est la vie! Which we will of course…tirelessly strive to protect. Which we have always done…as the Forsaken.
If there’s one thing Forsaken are known for in Warcraft lore, by god it is tirelessly striving to protect life! 
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Also the ones who gave themselves up (literally every Forsaken on the ship that wasn’t a dark ranger or named quest target) were let go rather than killed. Probably how he got found out for the loyalist route.
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The Forsaken, as originally described, were basically high-functioning sociopaths. Not necessarily evil, but certainly not good. More like pragmatically amoral. And I think that’s the vibe that most players who enjoyed them preferred.
What’s wrong with that? Blizzard can just do that without making them into a bunch of lame do-gooders.
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That’s honestly the worst one in terms of its undertones.
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Does Blizz think subservience to foreign power and/or racism against their own people is what can Make Horde Good Again or something?
These writers are multiple parallel universes away from the actual players I swear
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The Undead used to be an interesting and unique race that joined the Horde because it was an “alliance of convenience”. Sylvanas was not an anti-hero or morally gray, but she was not a villain to the majority of the Forsaken until BfA. It also seemed out of character for her to do so many things blatantly out in the open. I feel sorry for the people that role play their characters. I hope the data mined text is a red herring. Otherwise, the developers will probably replace our cannibalize racial ability with a “strive to protect” the living ability. I guess they want a homogeneous Horde. I hope they prove me wrong.
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This is why faction balance is so important to this game, because this is what happens when 60% of the Alliance faction transfers to the Horde.
Before we used to just have the soccer mom Tauren being upset about the villian bat, now half of the Horde is crying about burning the tree, or being bristled by Nathanos’ shop talk.
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lol 10 characters
/headpats
Big oof, say goodbye to your racial fantasy, couldnt they change it to a more neutral tone? they assume now that sylvanas left theyre all phylantropists, which isnt true.
About living beings, from my point of view the forsaken existed at an espectrum when interacting with living beings, where at best they were selfish(true neutral), at worst they reveled on killing things(chaotic evil), the good forsaken were outliers, all of this is tone deaf and its obvious theyre trying hard to swipe bfa under the rug so they can say to us the horde change instead of showing it.
I cant believe this guys, they just destroyed the identities of two races of this game, refuse to develop them on the same expansion then expect the fans to follow their new development without a proper resolution just because, incredible.
This is the same forum that acted like San’Layn were going to be an allied race because data mined text suggested that might be the case.
Though I’ve little faith in Blizz’s narrative acumen, especially in regards to the Forsaken, after BFA - I ain’t getting worked over anything until I see gameplay footage confirming it.
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