if you don’t like the way people run their groups, then you are free to /ignore them and create your own group… just my two cents.
also, if LFD is put into the game, it would benefit someone in your position because then you can find a group much quicker than having to create your own group.
You’re just not the deep critical thinker you believe yourself to be. The devs themselves acknowledge that there are some real drawbacks and unintentional consequences when you start automating things players typically are and should be responsible for. You can disagree with them on that one but that doesnt make them wrong.
To you it is some fluke or myth. Its not. And everyone knows it. We just like to forget sometimes and repeat history in complete denial because it suits our lazy modern attitude toward the game. Before Classic was even a thing it was basically universally accepted where the devs went wrong and LDF made the Top 5. Like someone said, revisionist history. Cant ignore it now because it suits you. And since youre asking for the game to be easier you must realize the decision cant be made on how it benefits you and your consensus buddies. Its not about you. Sorry?
Everything you guys type is full of contradictions and wishful thinking. Just like every other QoL white knight that thinks easier = better. Its not that simple. Its never that simple. Thats why simpletons champion causes that are completely antithetical to what they are supposed to be subscribed for. They want as many shortcuts as they can get so they can “play more”. What a joke of a stance that is to be crusading for like RDF is actually something really important when its just a damn incentivized convenience we had for the second half of an expansion which came with the benefit of a few shortcuts. Just gotta get real dude, how hard is that?
It also came with rising levels of toxicity among players. I guess you had to be there when people would come to these forums outraged that someone in pvp gear or a unique spec would get into their groups and making it 7.7% more difficult for them to complete. Being a team player wasnt a thing after RDF - cuz it doesnt have to be.
As an example, one of the prime tenants of the pro LFD crowd is that the community is bunk now anyways so theres no harm done and it should just be in there. Everyones changed now. Its 20022. And you know what I agree. The community is trash and treats this game like trash. But theyre still deserving of RDF anyways. Its about helping people. Dont you see the hilariously stupid irony in that? What do you think theyre gonna do with RDF? Become model citizens?
See, the truth is you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Youre not getting RDF. That should tell you something. Just gotta think a little more outside your precious dichotomies of good and bad / pro lfd vs anti lfd and whatever other inadequate labels your narrow mind is working with.
LFD addresses issues with the game just as class balance changes do.
You want to break the circle? Propose changes that address the issues LFD fixes that are not LFD.
They don’t consider them problems, and they don’t want it ‘fixed’.
And it’s not in WOTLK Classic.
So…whine harder please.
Going on a tangent but related: If it wasn’t LFD, it would’ve been something else. Blizzard does NOT want the wow-classic gravy train to end at Wrath, so they CANNOT simply do an exact re-tread of retail or at some point it’ll just start being silly, because with each expansion we are getting closer to retail, and the whole point of classic was to be different from retail.
If they were content with classic wow ending with wrath I would say fine, no problem, LFD with all its glory. At ICC? At launch? Makes no difference. Once LK is dead game is over anyway.
But they obviously hope to continue doing classic after this. So they can’t lock themselves into the museum replica route. Because if they did, then when it comes time to launch Cata classic, they’re gonna have to put in LFR, and I think a lot more people would agree that that’s a bad idea.
it already launched dam I missed it.
*forums are for feed back right?
Oh btw can’t link yet but found this on twitter (sigh have not got the hang of the new forums seems yes no post link maybe guess it’s just picky on what links it allows).
I just said it’s the current plan, not that there’s no chance of ever changing our mind. I don’t think we’ll change our mind, which is why changing our mind isn’t the current plan, but who can say what the future holds? Once upon a time we thought we’d never do Classic! !]
Keeeep that feedback rolling…
Good idea.
I will indeed keep making my feedback known that they are making an excellent choice with this removal.
cool and we’ll do the same for getting it put in where it belongs.
*just to keep it fair you want me to throw in one of your “So…whine harder please.” so you don’t feel left out?
The problem in tbc design was the heroic dungeon content could be difficult with the wrong class/specs. That problem is removed in wotlk from class and content changes.
The problem with tbc forming heroic dungeon groups was a lack of tanks, in wotlk there is dual spec, a much easier time getting gear, and a much lower bar of entry for having gear that can let you tank (or even heal) a heroic dungeon.
So, it really isn’t a problem in wotlk. You might be inconvenienced but it’s not a problem.
LFD hasn’t been relevant on Retail since Legion. Mythic+ is the end game for dungeons, which can’t be queued for. LFD is mainly used for leveling dungeons now. Saying go to Retail for LFD is just blatant trolling.
And saying if you don’t like rdf go to classic era is also trolling.
Just trying to point that out for people.
No it isn’t. All the Vanilla features you want still exist in Classic Era. LFD is irrelevant on Retail. You can’t compare the two.
Player 1: “I want an authentic Wrath Classic experience with systems added to the game way back during that expansion.”
Anti-lfd troll: “Go play retail then!!!”
How is anyone supposed to take that seriously?
after viewing this person saying the same message every 10min for +10hours? I whispers him this.
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=25_lfgqueuecanneverbelongerthanthis.jpg
sure LFD can be long, but it’s impossible to be 12hours, for the reason that you can CHOOSE your dungeon and others who use lfd for random queue, will just jump into the 1 you chosed, not to mention that LFD is gonna be used anytime during the expansion Unlike now in tbcc where people no longer run heroics.
meanwhile i’m having very good social experience interacting with no one & doing nothing to focus on reading the LFG channel.
So you don’t think telling someone to go play classic Era because they don’t want rdf is trolling.
Yet you think telling someone to go play retail because they want rdf is trolling to you.
Talk about a double standard.
The features you obviously want exist in Classic Era. The features I want do not exist in Shadowlands.
Oh look, boost sellers where you can AFK at the dungeon entrance. What a great community! 
Join a town hall meeting
seems like it was the anti-LFD people telling everyone to go to retail first if they wanted it
like so:
I want to play LK for the classes design game design *the full game design (especially RSV and no scaling) so the anti-LFG seemed to have started that troll.
Classic and BC classic never did have it, LK did at some point. so it’s much less of a troll to tell someone play one of those if they don’t want LFG.