1.12 AV is known for a dominant strategy that results in no PvP and bypasses the entirety of the BG except for the final boss. I’d say there is a case for an objective argument against it.
No… No one is asking for something that did not exist in the vanilla experience.
We are asking for a vanilla experience… it is impossible to literally have vanilla. JUST having patch 1.12 is not vanilla, it only lasted 6 months. Vanilla is the whole experience. Just having stuff in the form of that patch would not be the vanilla experience.
We know we can’t recreate the whole experience, but they should try their best to do so.
Would you not consider boss’s loot tables “values”?
Don’t think players in 1.5 thought about doing it honestly…
Just like they didn’t think of stacking fury warriors.
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I’m aware of what can happen in 1.12 AV, but people thinking that zerg AV is worse does not make it objectively worse.
That would be an opinion. An opinion that I share, but still an opinion and not a fact.
Don’t think players in 1.5 thought about doing it honestly…
Just like they didn’t think of stacking fury warriors.
And further along in the games life, folks had more gear. Making zerging that much more reasonable an option.
It was zerged before 1.12. It’ll be zerged in 1.12. Many folks just want to zerg.
If they don’t they can create a turtle and farm until they are satisfied.
To be fair people didn’t think of stacking Fury in 1.5 because Fury wasn’t a good DPS spec yet.
The original version of Fury was kind of rubbish for raid DPS.
No it’s not. And it’s the gear that’s being ‘changed’ not the boss. And the gear isn’t being altered it’s being gated. Same thing as raids. They aren’t being changed they are being gated.
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10 minute 1.5 AV’s would very unlikely, at best.
But, sure, claim the players just never thought to try.
That does support a retail, convenience oriented mindset’s desire for the moist convenient version of AV in vanilla.
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People have different goals in Classic, especially for BGs.
For many people. When AV comes out, if they are not raid geared. They will want quick wins for the rep gear.
Vanilla players “sweet cool war zone”
Classic players “turtle means less honor/rep idiots”
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snowball effect, if you bring back 1.5 av why not bring back beta talents? or old threat? Why not even require reagents for spells such as mark of the wild and arcane intel?
Mat, are you trying to say that the way they’re staggering content is not authentic?
Exactly.
Retail mindset wants quick, convenient wins.
Classic mindset is not concerned with convenience.
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Do you want AV to be released at launch or do you want it released a few months later?
If something existed in vanilla between launch and the TBC pre-patch, let’s discuss it.
I don’t care when AV is released. It was not present when vanilla launched after all.
I DO, however, have a preference as to which version of AV we get. I prefer the older, less convenient, “mindless zerg for quick wins” versions.
That said, the 1.12 version was part of vanilla and is in keeping with vanilla.
I guess the best I can hope now is that they do not add the game cancer of cross realm to BG’s
Wrong. There are definitely things that are more vanilla than another. Throw something in at the end of vanilla when planning the expansion release is faux vanilla. You know this.
In this case, I’m not worried.
The retail tourists aren’t going to make it to level 20, let alone get into the 51-60 bracket. Since those are the people who want zergs, the people who do join AV will be the true-blue Classic players who are just looking for a good BG experience, not a quick win. Those players won’t even consider a zerg right?
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I don’t know this. And I’m not wrong. Nax is just as much vanilla as MC. Implying otherwise is either being absent minded or dishonest.
Well the significant changes that have people up in arms and changed AV from a pve slog fest into an actrual pvp BG happened well before 1.12.